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  1. chdot
    Admin

    “The Bloc will not themselves be a bloc.“

    Might well be significantly true in next Parliament.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-plea-significant-numbers-young-people-leave-snp-trans-rights-row-3115293

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. gembo
    Member

    Maybe though Ipsos Mori claim turnout in 2019 Westminster was 47% amongst 18-24 year olds and 74% amongst over 65s (east Dunbartonshire had highest UK turnout where SNP took seat I think from LibDem forgotten leader Jo Swinson).Definite correlation between age of constituency and turnout.

    My youngest (16) just got her voting paper for May. Up here.

    The youth loved JC but err, forgot to register, show up to vote etc

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. jonty
    Member

    Think the concern is less to do with voters and more the activist base being hollowed out/splitting/defecting to the Greens who sorted their house out on this issue years ago. SNP have taken a progressive line on other LGBTQ+ issues in the past and this has driven a lot of passionate support from people for whom recent uneasiness is now morphing into complete disillusionment. Demographic time bombs not good for any party either even if they don't affect it right now. And course the matter of bigotry is (hopefully) not just an electoral concern. Presumably hurts on a principles level too.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. gembo
    Member

    If politics is to be relevant to the youth. Yes any Trans issues need addressed by the parties.

    But the youth are more likely to go Extinction Rebellion etc than vote.??

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Labour leader Keir Starmer supports Boris Johnson’s visit to Scotland - which Nicola Sturgeon was "not essential".

    He tells LBC: “He is Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, of course it's legitimate”.

    https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1354718832917696512

    (“Daily Mirror Political Editor Scotland & London”)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Labour leader Keir Starmer supports Boris Johnson’s visit to Scotland

    The Labour party is a Great British nationalist party? They accept to some degree the argument that Northern Ireland is an occupied territory and decline to stand candidates there. But insist that Wales, Scotland and England are a natural demos.

    I suppose they align with the Tories on that basis but of course they comprise English and Anglo-British nationalists and people who have moved on way beyond the nation state who wish to see a world of sovereign individuals and competing city-state jurisdictions.

    Scotland really does need a functioning socialist party.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Or

    Scotland really does need a functioning party.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    Or

    Scotland really does need functioning parties.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    “decline to stand candidates there“

    “They accept to some degree the argument that Northern Ireland is an occupied territory“

    That’s the thing, I don’t think they (and other parties) think about this much at all.

    Post Good Friday Agreement, surely all UK parties should have put up candidates?

    Otherwise is it not reasonable to assume that ‘UK parties’ are either GB parties or (arguably) England (and maybe Wales) parties?

    The results of the Brexit negotiations show that EVEN THE TORIES are indifferent/antagonist to NI.

    I still don’t understand why some people in London are so keen to hang to a country full of subsidy-junky whingers.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. SRD
    Moderator

    The guest on this podcast (below) made an interesting point about how the tories and Lib dems are descendants of english parties, Labour was never an english party. It was always a british party. which i think helps explain its difficulties with scottish independence, beyond the obvious vote calculation. worth a listen.

    https://play.acast.com/s/the-bunker/special-england-sdividedsoul-nickcohentalkstojameshawes

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @chdot

    Indeed. All five seem to have cabin fever to some extent.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. gembo
    Member

    @srd

    Aye The man Sir Keir was named after, the first leader of the Labour Party was from Newhouse in Lanarkshire. Or as we call it now Eurocentral. Or in Gembo Land, The Heids (one of whom is called Terry).

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Moderator

    @gembo my phd supervisor's children were called Keir and Rosa

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. gembo
    Member

    @srd knock knock, who’s there? Rosa? Rosa Who? Rosa Rosa wee hooses? Probably never was she told that joke, whereas her cousin Lydia constantly would get Teapot.

    Luxemburg, I guess?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    "Labour leader Keir Starmer supports Boris Johnson"

    FTFY.

    This "New Leadership" malarky going well in Scotland then?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    Jackie Baillie, "acting leader of the Scottish Labour Party" now on Beebly radio newstime expressing support for Johnson's flyboy antics: "...after all he is Prime Minister of the whole United Kingdom."

    They've gone full Red Tory, haven't they? Might as well give up and join the fleg waving Billys in the Unionist Party, mightn't they?

    P.S.:- On the previous newsbite bulletin they had a recording of JRM droning nasally about Sturgeon constantly whinging and whining - presumably that's all us Jocks can do in his view, while True Brits get on and Save The World (for their billionaire chums).

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  18. gembo
    Member

    Kenny will need screenshots?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    Not pretty, not clever and perhaps not true for those who might vote Green.

    'Most people have no idea who he is' - Green co-leader dismisses impact of Andy Wightman resignation

    The loss of Andy Wightman over accusations of “intolerance” around the issue of transgender rights has been dismissed as irrelevant by the Scottish Greens’ co-leader because “most people have no idea who he is”.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/most-people-have-no-idea-who-he-green-co-leader-dismisses-impact-andy-wightman-resignation-3118118

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. gembo
    Member

    By the same token, most people have no idea who the Green co-leaders are either. I only know Alison, Andy and Patrick as two of the three are on bikes a bit and Andy is famous

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    Quite.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Andy is one of the foremost public intellectuals in Scotland.

    Ms Slater is deeply misguided if she thinks those words will make me think better of her or her party. Still, never heed whit the hoodies croak for doom.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. Rosie
    Member

    Andy W must be one of the best known MSPs in Edinburgh at least. That's v. ungracious from Lorna Slater. I understand he's been getting masses of support if he stands as an independent.

    @gembo - absolutely. Alison J is good on cycling.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    “I understand he's been getting masses of support if he stands as an independent.“

    With the list system I would expect him to get elected.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised if he decides not to stand.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  25. jonty
    Member

    I'm a bit confused - he left because he "was't allowed to debate" but didn't try to engage with the party's women's group or LGBT+ group? What debate was he actually trying to have, and with whom?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    “he left because he "was't allowed to debate" but didn't try to engage with the party's women's group or LGBT+ group?”

    Twitter maybe?

    "We have much more important things that we need to be doing around trans rights and around women’s rights, for example improving women’s representation in politics.

    "We have bigger fish to fry than trying to change the minds of some people that have been caught up in some Twitter conspiracy story.”

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. acsimpson
    Member

    'Most people have no idea who he is'

    But then most people don't vote green either. What I wonder is how many people appear in the ven diagram of those who would vote green and haven't heard of Andy Wightman. Very few I would guess. In Edinburgh at least I would think there are many more who have heard of him than the Green leader.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. jonty
    Member

    I had a bit of a look and apparently one bone of contention is that he does not believe that intersex and/or non-binary people exist and doesn't seem particularly convinced that trans people exist either. That presumably explains why he didn't want to talk to them.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. jonty
    Member

    Not a good day to be a transphobe with name recognition: https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356233346565730304

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Mr Wightman and Ms Cherry are of course linked by this ruling of the CJEU.

    While less able folk were whining and hugging themselves about Brexit these two got off their backsides and went to court in an effort to protect us all.

    That both now face internal hostility from their own parties tells us volumes. About the parties.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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