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  1. gembo
    Member

    @laidback, not sure? Monica Lennon said she was doing research in 2019. Jackie Baillie wants £15 an hour for frontline workers.

    Maybe keeping out of it?

    SNP and Green are seeking to shift definition of woman to a gender identification position? And falling out amongst themselves?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    @Laidback

    I believe that Lennon is very supportive of trans rights. She made sure that her Period Poverty bill included non-binary people and trans men, for example.

    No idea about Sarwar.

    The Labour party as a whole seems to be in much the same position as the SNP - party policy is pro-trans rights, but there are notable exceptions amongst elected representatives. Johann Lamont, for example.

    Lib Dems are, I think, very much pro-trans rights.

    No idea about the Conservatives either.

    (I am, in case it wasn't already blatantly obvious, not an expert.)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. LaidBack
    Member

    @Frenchy - thanks... other parties may look on to see what happens.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    Might look, unlikely to learn.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

  6. gembo
    Member

    From within her party or on Twitter round the world? I can’t open EEN stories now as they want my email

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. edinburgh87
    Member

    From within her party or on Twitter round the world? I can’t open EEN stories now as they want my email

    Clearing your cookies / browsing data and then opening it again in incognito mode (if using Chrome or similar) usually gets round this. I guess trawling social media for stories and writing them up as copy is expensive work for the EEN these days ;)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    If anybody thinks that Ms Cherry's Twitter output constitutes an unjustified threat to anyone all they have to do is call the police because that is illegal. Her being a very experienced QC and all I wish all complainers the very best of British luck.

    If anybody is offended by Ms Cherry's Twitter output and finds ignoring it doesn't soothe the pain I'll put five minutes in my diary to cry them a small river later on today.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. bill
    Member

    I guess trawling social media for stories and writing them up as copy is expensive work for the EEN these days ;)

    @ediburgh87 they really do that a lot now! I noticed quite a few things that happened on facebook 'Meadows Share' recently ended up on EEN.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    They used to trawl CCE for stories (probably via Twitter).

    Think the journalists who did that have left.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Frenchy
    Member

    Is ignoring elected representatives when they openly advocate removing people's rights a tactic with a history of success?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. gembo
    Member

    Who made the vicious threat to her personal safety?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. Frenchy
    Member

    EEN just says "a man".

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Open discussion of citizens' rights by and with elected representatives sounds like an excellent idea. I approve heartily.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Frenchy
    Member

    If Ian Murray was going around saying that I shouldn't use public toilets as I have done all my life then I don't think he'd use the words "open discussion" to describe what I had to say to him.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. Arellcat
    Moderator

    https://twitter.com/tristangrayedi/status/1356327736122486785

    Tristan Gray
    @tristangrayedi
    The almost coordinated response to the JC firing by media covering up the mass resignations from the SNP youth in protest of leadership inaction against transphobia isn't surprising but it's still disappointing.

    All they care about is the narrative the old names want to spin.
    7:45 PM · Feb 1, 2021

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    SNP used to work well with youth.

    Bit establishment old fogey now?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I can't say that I follow the toilet analogy.

    Tristan better get himself a lawyer.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. unhurt
    Member

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/no-one-wants-talk-about-us-people-what-life-trans-people-scotland-today-3120146

    Molly is 25 and lives in Edinburgh. She transitioned eight years ago but still doesn’t feel comfortable telling people other than close friends she is trans.

    "My flatmate doesn’t know I’m trans,” she says, “I’d be scared to tell my employer. You never know how someone's going to react.

    “I have had incidents where people have been aggressive and quite violent.”

    Molly feels the current debate around transgender rights has empowered transphobes.

    She said: “Hate groups seems to be targeting trans women with a good degree of success.

    “There’s always an article about us, there’s almost an obsession with the danger we pose. It feels unbalanced.

    “No one wants to talk about us as people.”

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    I do not doubt that there are transphobes out there, just as there are homophobes, misogynists, misandrists, and racists.

    I don't spend much time trawling her Twitter feed but it appears Joanna Cherry objects to the poisonous atmosphere in the LGBTQ+ campaigning community in recent years, and in particular the vitriol directed at those defending women's sex based rights, and their labelling by others variously as TERFs, transphobes, etc.

    There ought to be a more honest debate about where the boundaries are in one person's rights potentially infringing another's. Instead we have various actors attempting to shut down any debate at all, making accusations in order to silence others, or forcing them to pick a side in a trench warfare mentality.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. jonty
    Member

    > Tristan better get himself a lawyer.

    Are you paid to dispense dubious legal threats on behalf of certain SNP figures or is it just a hobby? It seems to be becoming a habit...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    @jonty, you are a Scottish Greens plant and I claim my five pounds.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. jonty
    Member

    Pardon?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    “Scottish Greens plant”

    That may seem like a good pun, but in context it could be taken as suggesting undeclared dubious intent.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    “Are you paid to dispense dubious legal threats on behalf of certain SNP figures or is it just a hobby?”

    Rule 1 remains undefined, but this and above comments are in the zone.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. jonty
    Member

    Fair enough, sorry.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. unhurt
    Member

    @chdot so nothing to say re: rule 1 and the implication of two comments in the same thread then?

    Crowriver:
    Good riddance to the Scottish Greens. The ludicrous polarisation around certain very narrow points of identity politics is undermining what used to be the core messages of the party. What a shrill and intolerant little sect it is becoming.

    Crowriver:
    @jonty, you are a Scottish Greens plant and I claim my five pounds.

    It's your forum - I guess you get to decide who's welcome here.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    I’m sure forum accepts that and similar apologies.

    The interwoven topics above are clearly of interest/relevance and elsewhere contentious with vitriolic polarisation.

    I know people who are ‘in despair’ because people they know as friends or ‘just’ facebook friends are taking extreme positions.

    Let’s keep CCE ‘better than FB/Twitter’...!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    @unhurt, a little selective quoting out of context to construct a straw man does not equate to an argument.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @jonty

    No worries. I'm not paid to do that, no, but I am getting very tired of people saying things online they wouldn't say to someone's face.

    If you accuse a QC of being 'willing to whip up that hate campaign for her own benefit' then I do think it would be wise to retain a solicitor. Ditto if you accuse a former first minister of being a sex pest.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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