I had forgotten about Mandy she appears to be working for the dreadful Holyrood free magazine now loving her crowbarring of Rangers FC into her general rant
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“I had forgotten about Mandy”
Been at Holyrood for years.
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This stuff is amazing;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56028750
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000sg1g/the-sunday-show-series-1-14022021
Even if you don't know who the person being 'interviewed' is it's jaw-dropping.
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I know you're probably referring to the associated political intrigue more than anything else but I'd probably steer clear of calling an account of trauma "amazing".
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The BBC's basically teeing up Ms Sturgeon's appearance at the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints committee. Having the convenor 'apologise' to one of the anonymous complainers is astounding even if you don't know who she is.
I am struggling to understand how court-ordered anonymity is compatible with appearing on television to promote your view of events where the person you accused was found to be wholly innocent.
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I imagine it's the sort of thing you feel it's necessary to do when folk on the internet are going about implying that the meaning of a Not Guilty verdict in Scots law is that the complainant was lying.
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So will the BBC make a programme about every criminal case where the defendant is found innocent?
If not, what's special about this complainer that they merit a slot to speak anonymously to the nation?
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If another court case pops up during which a former first minister accuses their sitting successor of conspiring against them, I suspect the BBC reserves the right to make as many programs about it as it likes.
Either this is a big story or it's not. You can't decide it's not interesting when you don't like the person being given a voice.
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I've no opinion at all on the person speaking. I don't know who she is. What I don't like is the BBC allowing them to speak anonymously.
If it turned out that the person speaking actually was Ms Sturgeon would you feel cheated? If it was her sister? Her exec assistant at Jackson's Close? A member of the Scot Gov HR department that drew up the flawed and biased code of conduct?
I predict that Ms Sturgeon, when she appears, will take the following line:
1) I am very busy with Covid.
2) The nine complainers are the real victims here.
3) I feel their pain deeply and regret that pain.
4) Alex Salmond is very bad.
5) I am sorry you had to sit on this committee.
6) Alex Salmond is very, very bad.Posted 4 years ago # -
Just sayin’ -
CCE doesn’t (usually) speculate on car crashes...
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Personally quite happy that 'Those best placed to offer insights on how legislators and the justice system are failing victims of sexual assault should have to open themselves up to even more abuse if they want to share that insight with a national broadcaster.' isn't a feeling shared by the broadcaster.
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I've listened twice and as far as I can make out the lady only makes one substantive point: that the farce we just witnessed will cause people to hesitate before reporting sexual assaults and I'm sure she's right there.
The rest of it makes little sense and seems designed to tee up the 'committee acting outwith its remit' line that gets everyone off the hook and Ms Fabiani's apology for whatever it is she's apologising for. Not clear to me what that could be.
Posted 4 years ago # -
A propos of nothing
From the Civil Service Code
Integrity
You must:ensure you have Ministerial authorisation for any contact with the media
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@MB - bit more to it than that, the Civil Service Management Code expands on this, stating:
All contacts with the media should be authorised in advance by the relevant Minister unless a specific delegation or dispensation has been agreed which may be for blocks of posts or areas of activities. The Civil Service Code applies to all such contacts. Civil Servants must at all times observe discretion and express comment with moderation, avoiding personal attacks.
There are also exemptions for whistleblowing and certain trade union activities.
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Not nice to swear, should put hand up when you do. He kind of apologizes at the end, grudgingly
I wonder if this is perhaps an electioneering slant to say it was Verbal Abuse of a woman?
I know it was verbal abuse of a woman I see the words he used. I am just wondering if it was more than rudeness? Was it?
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I have just received an A3 glossy leaflet from the Lib Dems. Willie Rennie is smiling in front of a windmill and Alex Cole-Hamilton is scowling with his arms crossed in front of a sign saying 'Entry to Minor Injuries Unit' and I don't think that image quite reads as they intended oh hang on maybe it does?
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Ms Lennon will be getting stern e-mails from Mr Starmer's junior staff. Mr Starmer is currently posing in front of a mirror with a Union Jack tied round his neck trying to decide between the polo shirt and the shirt and tie.
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It seems excessively puritan to claim that saying “f*** off Maree” disqualifies someone from elected office.
Those in glass houses and all that..
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It would be nice if Angus Robertson had specified the types of attack he thinks do have a place in politics. For sure, his faction have almost perfected some of them.
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@MB @14West - most is confined to Twitter though? Agree some on both sides are too fond of insults rather than debate. Alex Cole Hamilton said he was frustrated with ScotGov dragging heels on implementation of the UN Convention of the Rights of the Child into Scottish Law. Seems that this has been pushed back a year. 'Outburst overshadows story' is the result.
Monica has cross party support. Guess who said this?
“The UK is now more about the four nations than it has been before. For Scots under 40, the British state seems practically irrelevant. They don’t know what the added value of the Union is.”
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It seems excessively puritan to claim that saying “f*** off Maree” disqualifies someone from elected office.
Let's put it to a vote?
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Sitting here on the sidelines of this wee Rational Objective Man's Debate Club I do wonder if it's ever occurred to any of you that some of the people reading this forum have been:
sexually assaulted
sexually harassed
and
well aware that the chances of the perpetrators of the same actually facing any sort of accountability are pretty much sweet eff all most of the timeApparently not.
Anyway. I am absolutely done with this place. Chdot - your "accepting" forum is in fact not very welcoming to people who are not very much like you. And awful implications are not somehow OK when couched in "polite" language.
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outside the vampires castle, anything is possible
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@ unhurt
“I am absolutely done with this place.”
Your choice of course, and you are not the first. You have been a valuable and entertaining member/contributor.
If you ever come back, welcome in advance.
I hope you will keep up ‘real life’ contacts. CCE has never just been about anonymous stuff on screens.
“Chdot - your "accepting" forum is in fact not very welcoming”
As I said upthread, the forum is the sum of the posters. Yes I started it, yes I’m sure I put more stuff on it than most people.
BUT I’m not the only moderator. There are posts on CCE that I wish hadn’t been posted. VERY occasionally I have removed posts.
I have no wish to explicitly judge people, or the way they express themselves. (Apart from anything else, I can’t know why people think/believe/say what they do. ONE problem with CCE is that some people say things to people on here that they know off-forum. Sometimes things can seem against Rule 1, but the people involved understand the motivation - I hope!)
There are things on here that I wish weren’t being discussed, but the tone and vitriol is CONSIDERABLY different than in some other places.
As you know I politely reminded people to be more considerate/polite.
TWO PEOPLE actually apologised.
I can’t remember what I have said about “welcoming”. But it would be in the context of people ‘new to cycling’ being encouraged and not made to feel as though they were among people who didn’t understand that.
“to people who are not very much like you.”
I can’t help being white and male. I’m sure I underestimate the benefits of many of my other privileges.
There have always been more men than women on here. It may or not mirror the proportion riding bikes and/or obsessed with the internet.
“And awful implications are not somehow OK when couched in "polite" language.”
Agree, I hope people reading your post will reflect on what the say and how they say it.
Sadly, to use the Trumpism, ‘there are fine people’ taking different approaches and, no doubt having different views on whatever purport to be ‘the facts’.
Elsewhere people have become entrenched on (at least) two sides of various complex (and sometimes interrelated) issues.
CCE is largely self-censoring, people get things wrong (yes me as well), but civility endures 99.9% of the time.
Like it or not, some of the stuff on this thread will have influences on the coming election.
Almost certainly much less than professional and armchair pundits imagine.
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Thank you @unhurt for the perspective reminder. I will try harder to bear it in mind.
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“
THE SNP has withdrawn its plans to regulate Airbnb-style short-term lets and will instead resubmit the plans alongside guidance after May’s election.Tourism and hospitality leaders had asked for the plans to be halted amid the Covid-19 crisis – while the Scottish Conservatives also called on ministers to scrap the plans.
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I am afraid I have to agree with unhurt's view here, and in stating as much I am breaking my own self-imposed silence. Some of the issues up for discussion, not only of late but over the last twelve months or so, and the rather brazen and unrespectful manner in which they have been conducted, have been very difficult to bear. I have had enough of this place.
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