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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Anyone wishing to stand as a candidate must submit nomination papers, which are available on the Council website, by 4pm on Wednesday 31 March.

    https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/03/scottish-parliamentary-election-2021-nominations-open/

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    Also from the article above:

    "But, if membership of the European Union was guaranteed, support for Yes rose to 53 per cent."

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "But, if membership of the European Union was guaranteed"

    Will that promise be on a big yellow bus?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    So, it seems there a new Alex Salmond party going to be on the list.

    Anyone thinking about voting Alba? Does he/do they have any policies?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. Baldcyclist
    Member

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56539696

    At least 4 list candidates in each region he says - wonder if he's poached any of his supporters from within the SNP?

    He should really just go off and retire now, but seemingly he can't let it lie. New court case apparantly against ScotGov too can't see all of that being healthy for him.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. Morningsider
    Member

    @crowriver - I've no particular insight, but I'm thinking Alex Salmond to be made life president of Scotland, daily five hour broadcasts by el Presidente to be hosted on BBC Alba, all female bodyguard troop to be established, exile for all people named after fish.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. Rosie
    Member

    @Morningsider - all his sayings engraved on large stones and placed around the country.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/heriot-watt-university-remove-stone-22060198

    It was getting rid of that stone, not to mention removing his not insignificant role in the 2014 referendum off the SNP website that has pushed him over the edge.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. crowriver
    Member

    Easy to poke fun at it all, but on a more serious note I for one think the SNP's dominance of Scottish politics is unhealthy. There ought to be another pro-independence voice in the parliament apart from the Greens. Whatever the merits or otherwise of the Alba Party, it does at least add to choice for voters. Which in itself is no bad thing. At the very least, it means the SNP will not be able to take an indy bloc vote for granted.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. stiltskin
    Member

    Never let it be said that Scotland is a small country when it comes to bloated political egos

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. Morningsider
    Member

    @crowriver - absolutely agree. Regardless of what you thought of them, the Scottish Parliament benefitted from having members from the SSP, the Senior Citizen's party and independents like Margo.

    If you don't like Alba (or any other party) don't vote for them - even campaign against them. However, any party that thinks it is entitled to a single vote will, eventually, crumble.

    Still, couldn't help my previous post.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. minus six
    Member

    @crowriver

    you'll be voting for bonnie prince bob, shurley ?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    “Regardless of what you thought of them, the Scottish Parliament benefitted from having members from the SSP, the Senior Citizen's party and independents like Margo.“

    Yes.

    I’ve said before (in some fashion) that TS managed to ruin the ‘rainbow Parliament’ and have always hoped that more parties/independents c/would return.

    “There ought to be another pro-independence voice in the parliament apart from the Greens.“

    Again, yes.

    Just don’t think the AS version/alternative is a good idea.

    There may well be many SNP voters unhappy with NS - because of the (apparent) pace of Indy and many other reasons.

    But

    I don’t think AS’s project is either a good idea, or likely to be very successful in electing MSPs.

    I’m sure AS *imagines* that his party (is he even likely to get a seat?) will get enough seats to hold the balance of power, but a Lab/Con/LD coalition is more like than an SNP/Alba one!!

    I can even imagine the Greens being involved with the ‘other’ coalition. However much it supports Independence, it’s hardly its most important policy.

    Beyond all that, I await Prof Curtice’s analysis.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    @bax, I honestly haven't a clue who I'll vote for this time. Maybe I'll not bother at all.
    I'll be taking a look at all the candidates on the constituency ballot, and the policy platforms of all the parties on the regional list. Then I'll think on it. Then, maybe I'll vote. We'll see.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. stiltskin
    Member

    *tin foil hat on* Joanna Cherry taking time out for health reasons?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    Another party not to vote for, the choice is dwindling despite the numbers increasing

    Might Nick a list seat or two? But brazening it out Wow

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    Prof C points out (R Scot) SNP success depends primarily on the constituency section and could get an overall majority without the list.

    He seems to think AS might get one seat.

    who am i to disagree

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    Me and prof C making same prediction or very similar. Was in his Fraser of allansef webinar this week for while. Classy. He had no overall majority then but was probably just one prediction, had it on in background. His analysis was however interesting particularly on the insterstices of party you vote for, Brexit and Indy ref.

    Bizarrely tonight in the sun, wind and hail, well not that bizarrely as he stays Colinton, but he has ignored me many times, I was holding a gate open in the Pentlands for my Indy ref Handler as we cycled by each other and we talked about this and that.

    @bax are you related to Bonnie Prince Bob? You look a bit like him

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. Morningsider
    Member

    In 2016, the Lib Dems won a regional list seat in the North East with 18,444 votes (6% of votes cast). The SNP got 137,086 votes, but due to the way the system works no North East regional seat. Could AS get around 6% of NE second votes? All he has to do is peel off about 14% of SNP second votes to make it, not even that if he picks up voters who cast a second ballot in 2016 for parties such as Solidarity, RISE, CPGB.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    not even that if he picks up voters who cast a second ballot in 2016 for parties such as Solidarity, RISE, CPGB.”

    So you’re saying ’he only needs to attract people who like voting for fringe parties’(?)

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. LaidBack
    Member

    There ought to be another pro-independence voice in the parliament apart from the Greens.

    Labour will eventually come on board?

    Whatever you think of the Scottish Greens they are the only party that is likely to talk about the environment and influence action on it. Shame that so few UK media organisations were interested in their manifesto. Maybe I missed it but zero percent chance of Greens in England getting another seat despite Lucas's appeal.

    Supporting a party you might not wholly agree with is normal. Holyrood itself would not have happened without Labour. I went off them after the Iraq war march in Glasgow.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. crowriver
    Member

    Salmond/Alba party could get more than one seat.

    Think about it. Many/most SNP list votes are "wasted" as SNP win in constituency. Not everywhere, but enough places to make an alternative vote on the list attractive to some SNP voters. Currently a chunk of those voters pick the Greens on the list, many will continue to do so. However there must be a fair number who will not vote Green for a variety of reasons, but neither will they vote for a Unionist party. Maybe didn't vote for SSP/RISE either last time around (SSP not standing this year). Could be worth quite a lot of votes potentially for Salmond/Alba party.

    May's election suddenly got a bit more interesting. Whatever you think about this new party.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    AS on C4News

    He’s pronouncing it Alaba.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. LaidBack
    Member

    Krishnan Guru-Murthy has been doing Gaelic Duo-Lingo!
    Interview dominated by that and whether he was sorry for not being guilty.
    Only listened to on audio as tv banned in our kitchen.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    AS made a good case for voting for a pro-Indy party on the List.

    People so inclined may well prefer an option not involving AS.

    Might be useful if the SNP explained in which List areas voting ‘Both Votes SNP’ would (probably) not help the SNP get more seats.

    Of course the SNP saying ’2nd vote Green’ (in these areas) isn’t going to happen...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. Morningsider
    Member

    @chdot - if AS picks up some of the list votes that previously went to the small parties, then he probably only needs 10-12% of what were SNP list votes in 2016 to get elected this year.

    He will be on home turf. Brexit will have changed a lot of minds in fishing communities since he lost his Westminster seat. Yes, he will have disgusted/disappointed many, but he doesn't need a majority - just around 6% of the regional list vote. I'm not saying it's inevitable, but it's certainly possible.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. gembo
    Member

    Certainly a test of the public view of him in North East.

    I hope he fails and is called out repeatedly but he is good at talking his way out of trouble. Trouble he is also good at causing.

    Imagine if he were to be needed for an Indy Majority. He might take votes off greens?

    Who else has joined his party?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    “I'm not saying it's inevitable, but it's certainly possible.”

    Quite possible/likely.

    (Some) people like a ‘celebrity’.

    Party of one?

    Would have been as easy/effective to stand as an independent(?)

    SNP might get a better set of pro-Indy allies if they could actually bring themselves to recommend ‘vote Green (in certain areas)’.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. crowriver
    Member

    "if they could actually bring themselves to recommend ‘vote Green (in certain areas)’."

    So incredibly unlikely. But who knows? In this new political landscape, many possibilities.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. 14Westfield
    Member

    Quite problematic that Salmond can’t say sorry to the women who have raised complaint against him. I expect that will be the excruciating first couple of minutes for every single interview he does from now until the election.

    His statement was that everyone needs to move on.. I doubt it.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    Martin J Keatings SNP 1 | AFI 2
    @MartinJKeatings
    At a meeting of the NEC and with candidates, it was decided that AFI would step aside for the Alba party. All 42 of our candidates are adrift for putting Scotland before Party. That's called living your values! Will some be adopted by Alba? We shall see.

    https://twitter.com/MartinJKeatings/status/1375556611872325636

    Posted 4 years ago #

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