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  1. chdot
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    Sources said they had been flat out during Starmer’s first year, securing a new general secretary, shoring up Starmer’s support on the party’s ruling national executive committee and trying to improve Labour’s organisation in Scotland, where it now has a new leader. “It might be subtle what they do, but they are ruthlessly effective,” said a party source. “An incredibly important part of our strategy has had to be fixing the party.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/28/labour-mps-raise-fears-over-keir-starmers-lack-of-grip

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  2. crowriver
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    It's not lack of grip that's the problem with Sir Kieth. More to do with not actually opposing the Tories, instead supporting them, abstaining, criticising them for not being right wing enough, etc.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. crowriver
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    In other news, I read that the Alba Party now has two MPs.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. gembo
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    Jeezo. An anti semite and a an UN convicted sleazbeall. What is Kenny doing hanging about with them

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. crowriver
    Member

    Careful now, gembo. Your beloved Labour Party has had its problems with allegations of anti-Semitism, which usually turn out to have been support for the Palestinian cause. I see that there are some, often on the centre right of politics, who believe that criticism of Israeli policy is the same as anti-Semitism. However it appears that Hanvey was quickly reinstated to the SNP after an investigation. Unlike poor Jeremy Corbyn, who continues to languish as an independent on the benches at Westminster. For what crime? Being on Sir Kieth's hit list, perchance?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. crowriver
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    More on that defection story.

    "Alba now has more MPs than Scottish Labour who only have Edinburgh South MP Ian Murray."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56555096

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. gembo
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    Sorry @crowriver. The alleged anti-Semite was reinstated after his poor use of language only to be re-sacked from front bench for some sort of plotting? Against Kirsty Blackman. Which some but not me might say is sexist but not racist nope. (I have my rain cape jacket on already). Alba I tried to type ALUBA to try to say it wrong, just need Jo Cherry. I see she is off work. She won’t be this daft though.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. chdot
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  10. jss
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    Now Tommy Sheridan is aboard, should it not now be rebranded as the Swinging Alba party?
    Need to choose some snazzy hats and shades to complete the swinging saltires image

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. gembo
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    Alex Arthur too

    A rum crew?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. LaidBack
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    @jss - It's a political sin bin! What I really want to know is their policy on active travel - or EU - or anything to do with actual governance.

    Wonder what does Bonnie Prince Bob thinks of this?! He won't join them?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. SRD
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    anyone know when we might see constituency-level polling? am curious about Lab/Con/SNp in Edinburgh southern. (will ask my polling friends on twitter), but also curious about what people here think.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. chdot
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    That the constituency that really understands tactical voting??

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. LaidBack
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  16. chdot
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  17. SRD
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    whatever it takes to keep Tories from being official opposition?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    Pity George Galloway formed his own party or he could join Alba?

    In The National Piece cited there is also a woman Lynne Anderson? Is she Alba first woman?

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  19. chdot
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    “whatever it takes to keep Tories from being official opposition?”

    That will certainly influence some people.

    Clearly the (non Tory) ‘unionists’ have a choice between Lab and Galloway...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. Baldcyclist
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    "In The National Piece cited there is also a woman Lynne Anderson"

    Apparantly she registered the party in Feb, and was the original 'leader': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba_Party

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. crowriver
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    Interesting about George Kerevan. He used to be a Labour councillor on the old Edinburgh District. Someone whose thoughtful writing on politics and economics I appreciate.

    Given some of the names joining Alba, it appears to be rather to the left of the SNP. Of course we'll have to see what the actual policy platform is apart from independence, but that's an issue with SNP also. Appear to be some differences on what we might term broadly liberal identity politics. Notable emphasis on fielding candidates from a working class background.

    Despite pelters from SNP and Green politicians and activists, Alba seems to be an intriguing development in Scottish politics. As I said before, good to see voters offered more choice es at the ballot box. At the very least the election will no longer just be about which party comes in second place after the SNP. No foregone conclusion any more.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. crowriver
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    @gembo, I read that several women have defected from the SNP, including the Women's Officer and also the Equalities Convener.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. chdot
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    “Interesting about George Kerevan. He used to be a Labour councillor on the old Edinburgh District.”

    Directly involved with the creation of The Gyle (not just the shopping centre).

    And before that the SWP.

    Later, a fan of George W B.

    “Someone whose thoughtful writing on politics and economics I appreciate”

    Yes. I believe his thoughts didn’t always influence the SNP leadership.

    Expected to have one of his documentaries appearing on RT sometime.

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  24. chdot
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  25. crowriver
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    @chdot, "I believe his thoughts didn’t always influence the SNP leadership."

    The current SNP government seems to prefer the counsel of employees of the Duke pf Buccleuch. Kerevan actually wrote a very insightful analysis of what he sees as the SNP's current strategy, which to my ears has the ring of truth about it.

    https://www.conter.co.uk/blog/2020/7/7/snp-at-the-crossroads

    "My contention is that Sturgeon and the present SNP leadership have adapted to the political and economic needs of the upper echelons of the traditional Scottish middle class – the conservative oligarchy of lawyers, accountants, bankers, medial consultants, kirk ministers and university professors who have dominated Scottish civil society since the Union of 1707."

    https://www.conter.co.uk/blog/2020/9/29/snp-at-the-crossroad-what-is-to-be-done

    (Not sure if university professors belong in such company, but perhaps the elite of academia sit within that bracket).

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. chdot
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    “Alba seems to be an intriguing development in Scottish politics. As I said before, good to see voters offered more choice es at the ballot box.“

    Yes, but the problem is that (so far) it’s about personalities rather than policies (and ‘not the SNP’).

    Will many people leave before the election??

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. gembo
    Member

    Seventh on the SNP list nae chance
    First on the Alba list chance

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. minus six
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    It's a political sin bin! What I really want to know is their policy on active travel

    given that both ScotGov and POLIS ALBA have entirely ignored that the motorists of scotland have shown no adherence to the "essential travel only" emergency regulations over the past three months of pseudo-lockdown..

    forget it, the game's a bogey, this country is done and dusted

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. Rosie
    Member

    Has Alison Ferrier joined? She could spread the message...

    Cripes, Scottish politics was bad enough with the constant flag-shagging, but now we have competitive flag shagging.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. SRD
    Moderator

    If you’re wondering what John Curtice thinks, this podcast is good https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/what-scotland-thinks/id1500003987

    Today’s has a nice explainer of the electoral system and implications.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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