Don't know the reason, but do know that the council's active travel team have been chasing up its reinstatement with the roads team.
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News on LTNs? (Leith/Corstorphine/East Craigs Connections/Oxford)
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Posted 2 months ago #
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1w71vyg328o
So to unpack the data from the moral panic, traffic around the LTN has risen by 0.5% relative to the background change in traffic levels in the wider area. Meanwhile traffic inside the LTN has fallen by nearly 10%. So that seems... about what you'd expect?
It's a very tiny area of benefit, so it's not to hard to understand why relatively few people support it. It's like asking people whether they support a tax cut despite living in just the wrong postcode to benefit from it. Much less easy to support.
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Worth pointing out that around half of that 6.5% increase is due to one location - Broomhouse Road. I suspect that there are other factors (people at Edinburgh Park returning to office working, other roadworks etc) causing that increase than just the LTN. It strikes me as too big an increase to have been caused just by the Manse Road change.
As ACE have said themselves in two occasions at TEC, the choice of baseline (Nov 21) was inappropriate and means that the effect of the LTN can’t be identified from this data. Wont stop them doing so though.
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If the dataset is by day, then they would expect to see traffic increasing on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, and less on Mondays and Fridays. This is a pretty universal trend now for major employers who have hybrid working policies. The trend would be independent of school run traffic which would be fairly constant through the working week.
Posted 2 months ago # -
ACE are presenting yet another mammoth submission at TEC tomorrow. It’s a doozy:
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The amount of time they spent writing that, in the same time they probably could have just walked everywhere they wanted to drive.
Drivers forget the amount of time they spend working to pay for the car and the time spent to maintain the status quo.
Hopefully, the whole deputation is so ridiculously long and presumably* repetitive, that no one will read it
*I didn't read it
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ACE deputation went as expected. Lots of scare stories and the great claim that children shouldn’t be walking to school via Manse Road (the most direct route from St John’s Road) because the pavements are too narrow there.
When asked what they would do instead they said “the main roads will always be busy, but the side streets could be made safer”.
So after a year of arguing against it, although they don’t realise it, they said they would support an LTN.
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In the photo of the deputation they don’t look like they have all had frontal lobotomies. And yet, lack of cognitive reasoning, lack of empathy, fixation on one issue - all the signs.
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I thought frontal lobotomies were “supposed” to make you passive and happy?
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If anyone is interested, I did a Twitter thread of the highlights so you don’t have to watch it:
https://x.com/pidginposting/status/1834276925033922997
Oh, and Kevin Lang
liedhad a memory lapse about the Lib Dem involvement in the scheme.Posted 2 months ago # -
Any chance someone could threadreaderapp unroll that?
For those that deleted the nazi barPosted 2 months ago # -
The headline is - When asked what they would do instead they proposed an LTN
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Warwick Campbell, who lives in the LTN at Oswald Terrace, said it had “trapped us and forced thousands of residents to have only one option to leave the area”.
Several years ago the residents of Oswald Terrace successfully campaigned for school street restrictions to be imposed on Oswald Terrace and neighbouring streets. Now they are complaining that they aren’t allowed to drive wherever they want at certain restricted times.
Posted 2 months ago # -
Fckn roasters
Posted 2 months ago # -
Perfectly encapsulates the sheer waste of time, money and effort of the approach adopted by the Council. Don't give these schemes names, don't run big multi-stage consultations, simply treat them as the minor changes to traffic management that they are. Pre-design traffic surveys and the statutory TRO/RSO consultation process should be enough to design a half decent scheme.
Consultation is the bane of the Scottish public sector - many younger officials now see it as an end in itself, never having worked when it was seen as a chore to be got through so the actual work could be done. "But what about the public?" many will cry. One of the key jobs of an elected member is to gather local intelligence to inform Council schemes. Seems to have fallen by the wayside in recent years. I suspect in part due to a loss of confidence and the growth of the consultant class, only too happy to drain public sector coffers for little real benefit.
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"not democratic", said one affluent, middle-aged+, white, male motorist...
No, what is not democratic is listening to a handful of, likely biased, people, instead of following the policies and manifestos of elected representatives.
Does this need to keep being repeated? When will local "democracy" reporters do their F ing jobs, and support democracy?
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the low traffic neighbourhood meant a journey that previously took 10 minutes "is increasingly likely to be twice that time"
LTN working as intended then. Because if the extra time required to navigate an LTN by car is a significant proportion of the overall journey time, perhaps that journey would be better made by a more equitable form of transport?
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I read somewhere that it was a mistake to give such schemes a name like Low Traffic Neighbourhood and instead simply carry out piecemeal improvements. As soon as you label something collectively, you then get collective action against it.
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If anyone is interested, I did a Twitter thread of the highlights so you don’t have to watch it:
Any chance someone could threadreaderapp unroll that?
Thankfully someone did:
Posted 2 months ago # -
Worse still, the BBC is now giving oxygen to these roasters
Posted 2 months ago # -
Officers are recommending to the TRO committee that the project is made permanent, although bus gate hours will be reduced to 8.00 - 9.30 and 14.00 - 16.00.
A 400 page report to deal with easily disproved objections about parking etc.
Decision to be made on 23rd September.
Posted 2 months ago # -
Is that the same timing on a Friday? If not it should be extended to cover the school finish at lunchtime.
Posted 2 months ago # -
…and we have now reached the “crowdfunding for legal advice” phase of the campaign
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Remind me
Is all this ‘process’ due to CEC’s timidity, (Party) political manoeuvrings/timidy or ‘legal requirements’
And/(or) legal (CEC) overinterpretation????
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As far as I'm concerned the council should be listening solely to the parents and teachers of Corstorphine Primary School. Children's lives are far more important than the views of people who don't want to drive a little bit further.
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Corstorphine LTN decision has been pulled from tomorrow’s TRO committee. The threat of legal action has caused the paper to be “revisited”. We can guess what that means.
Nice to know that a few retired middle-class men can scupper any project going, all while claiming to be in favour of pedestrian safety.
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It's the opposite of democracy. The council is basically saying that anyone with enough money can stop them from following their own processes.
Posted 2 months ago # -
I like to visit Corstorphine to see Harts and the staff I know in the local schools are all fabulous.
However these people do deter me from visiting plus every time i go it is total CARMAGEDDON
Posted 2 months ago # -
They need to put a camera at the top of Featherhall Avenue to stop people doing what a woman did earlier. She simply decided that she was going left regardless and drove in the cycle lane and on the pavement to go left via the car park.
Posted 1 month ago #
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