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News on LTNs? (Leith/Corstorphine/East Craigs Connections/Oxford)

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  1. Morningsider
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    I would argue that Blue Badge holders should not be exempt from LTN restrictions. Blue Badges exist to allow disabled people to park as close to their intended destination as possible, minimising the need for them to walk or wheel where this may be difficult.

    I cannot see any justification for a Blue Badge holder to be exempt from a LTN, when they are driving (or being driven) they are simply traffic, the same as anyone else.

    Also - there are 235,000 Blue Badges in use across Scotland. That would be a lot of exempted vehicles.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  2. Dave
    Member

    And that's the number of blue badges today, when they don't confer the ability to sweep through a school street or low traffic filter because we don't have any. Google says that a million Scots identify as disabled. Is there any point in a traffic safety measure that so many people would potentially be exempt from?

    I may be a bit of an outsider with this, but I see it as equivalent to speed limits. We could potentially get disabled people to their destination faster if we exempted them from speed limits. Many people reject this as a daft idea, while in the same breath suggesting they should be allowed to drive through a traffic safety filter.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  3. Stickman
    Member

    @Morningsider: and no-one seems able to explain exactly *how* parking has been affected for Blue Badge holders in the area. Double yellow lines were painted on Manse Road at the junction with Featherhall Terrace, losing maybe two spaces (and I still saw someone parked up there last night). Every other parking space is completely unchanged and still accessible to all vehicles.

    By just repeating the words Blue Badge and parking they are trying to imply that people are unable to get anywhere.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  4. Morningsider
    Member

    @Stickman - Blue Badge holders can legally park on double yellow lines, as long as no flashes are painted on the kerb (these indicate additional loading or waiting restrictions).

    See: https://www.mygov.scot/apply-blue-badge/using-your-blue-badge

    Posted 1 year ago #

  5. chdot
    Admin

    Obviously Blue Badge users should only be exempt 15 (or 20) minutes from their homes…

    Posted 1 year ago #

  6. acsimpson
    Member

    I agree with Morningsider that there is no obvious reason why a blue badge holder should necessarily require a shorter journey.

    Unsurprisingly at such a meeting nobody was going to be called out and asked why they are experiencing such issues. Their co-conspirators will simply nod and say "Yes that's awful". I assume he thinks that he needs to drive the long way round via Drumbrae in order to be facing west on St John's Road when he parks round the corner from the chemist. Perhaps all that is needed is for a kind neighbour to point out to him that he could drive up Featherhall and park right outside the chemist.

    He is clearly a fan of low traffic neighbourhoods as he lives in Wester Broom. A neighbourhood which has precisely one road in and out road out ever since a modal filter was added to South Gyle Road sometime last century.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  7. Stickman
    Member

    @acsimpson: brilliant point!

    Posted 1 year ago #

  8. boothym
    Member

    I assume he thinks that he needs to drive the long way round via Drumbrae in order to be facing west on St John's Road when he parks round the corner from the chemist. Perhaps all that is needed is for a kind neighbour to point out to him that he could drive up Featherhall and park right outside the chemist.
    Video: https://twitter.com/EdinReporter/status/1674030473767428097
    Says he parks on the main road - so either facing east (no change to route) or west (presumably having gone up Manse Road, now only available 10-2.45 due to the bus gate). But the bus lane blue badge parking is 9.30-4...

    Posted 1 year ago #

  9. acsimpson
    Member

    A bit of an aside but I've just checked some old maps and it appears South Gyle Road was a through road until South Gyle Broadway was constructed sometime between the 1960's and 1980. At that point it closed west of South Gyle farm. (source 1980 OS sheet 66)

    Access was restored as the houses were built south of the railway line until by 1996/97 it appears to have been open again (although possibly only by driving through the station car park). By 2000 the council atlas has clearer images and the only route through was via the car park. Then by 2005 the barrier blocking through access was added to the carpark. (souce council atlas).

    So it appears that my initial statement was wrong and it was actually this century that it was no longer possible to drive directly from Wester Boom to South Gyle.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  10. chdot
    Admin

    The 2.45 presumably because of school.

    The 10??

    Posted 1 year ago #

  11. boothym
    Member

    Bus gate is closed 8-10 and 2.45-6.30.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  12. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Would it be churlish to mention that there are prescription delivery services (including the Corstorphine Boots)?

    Posted 1 year ago #

  13. Stickman
    Member

    Skimming back through this whole thread. I said this over a year ago:

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?page=2&id=20600#post-356236

    I imagine Cole-Hamilton is preparing himself to ride to the rescue of the poor oppressed locals.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  14. chdot
    Admin

    “

    A 438-page report released today from the Climate Change Committee criticizes the government’s road-building plans, praises low-traffic neighbourhoods and 15-minute cities, and said cuts to the active travel budget should be reversed.

    “

    https://twitter.com/carltonreid/status/1673968306829639680

    Posted 1 year ago #

  15. Morningsider
    Member

    Roll-on the day when active travel campaigners can safely ignore the tidal wave of nonsense from "concerned citizens", safe in the knowledge that Councillors will hold their nerve on LTNs, cycle lanes and all the rest.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  16. the canuck
    Member

    Yesterday on NextDoor, one of the '15 minute conspiracy' people complaining that her residential street is a rat run.
    Kudos to the person to suggested she ask her councillor is her area could be added to the local LTN (I think it's a poster from here).

    Posted 1 year ago #

  17. chdot
    Admin

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    Yet another election result last night where the Tories campaigned on the singe issue of LTNs & were humiliated into 4th place at the ballot box.
    Hermitage ward is next to the very popular St Anns LTN and it turns out residents do want cleaner air & to be rid of awful rat-runners

    “

    https://twitter.com/ianbarnes2001/status/1674692199466893312

    Posted 1 year ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Featherhall pocket park in use today. Guy having lunch and couple on their way home to Broomhall Road from St John’s Road shops. They were admiring the plants and then stopped for a wee seat. I asked them if they liked it and they told me they love it!
    @CllrScottArthur

    “

    https://twitter.com/jazzearthgirl/status/1674425036474810370?

    Photos

    Posted 1 year ago #

  19. acsimpson
    Member

    Has twitter changed, I don't seem to be able to read tweets without an account anymore. Oh Well, I guess that's one less reason to ever visit the site again.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  20. the canuck
    Member

    Yeah, there have been some serious changes. I do miss some of it, I think I might have to get a burner so I can reactivate my account (they want a mobile number).

    Posted 1 year ago #

  21. Stickman
    Member

    “We aren’t opposed to everything but we’re thinking about suing the council to remove everything. No, we don’t have any positive suggestions or improvements.”

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-residents-fighting-low-traffic-27256059

    Posted 1 year ago #

  22. chdot
    Admin

    https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2023/07/corstorphine-connections-giving-locals-lots-to-talk-about/

    Posted 1 year ago #

  23. chdot
    Admin

    “

    As Transport Secretary, and a Conservative, I believe in giving people more choice on how to travel, not banning cars from places.

    That’s why I’ve stopped funding for any new LTNs.

    Read all about it - and more - in today’s Sunday
    @Telegraph

    “

    https://twitter.com/mark_j_harper/status/1677950988588662785?

    Posted 1 year ago #

  24. chdot
    Admin

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    The alternative to "pushing traffic onto main roads" is pushing it into residential area.

    People don't want delivery drivers etc cutting through their neighborhood on the way to somewhere else.

    “

    https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1678290508416704512?

    Posted 1 year ago #

  25. Stickman
    Member

    “It’s made things more difficult. As a cyclist I now feel it’s more dangerous. It was great before

    https://twitter.com/acecorstorphine/status/1678410886464118785

    I’d like to know the route taken through Corstorphine that was “great before”

    Posted 1 year ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/14/councillors-support-ltns-election-impact-research

    Posted 1 year ago #

  27. chdot
    Admin

    “

    'The country needs you to do this.''

    Those were the opening remarks of National Active Travel commissioner Chris Boardman’s at last week’s national conference in Oxford - as he pointedly addressed local councillors, professionals and advocates.

    For Oxford is arguably the centre of sustainable transport change in England right now (outside London).

    Bus-priority streets, 20mph limits, traffic-free lanes, school streets, pedestrianised streets, controlled parking zones, electric charging hubs, low-traffic neighbourhoods, an ultra low emission zone - these are all taking shape in the city.

    “

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/oxford-why-your-country-needs-you-claire-stocks

    Posted 1 year ago #

  28. chdot
    Admin

    “

    The idea that what the Spectator hopefully calls a “great motorist rebellion” against the tree-hugging classes could somehow save the Tories from obliteration at the next general election feels like clutching at straws in a hurricane. For all the sound, fury and mad conspiracy theories flying about over low-traffic neighbourhoods (LTNs), which are aimed at stopping motorists cutting through side streets, anti-LTN candidates failed to unseat Labour councillors in Oxford in byelections this spring. However irritating the commuting classes might find Just Stop Oil, most are angrier about the state of their mortgages. All that said, there’s a reason Conservatives seem increasingly keen to play the embattled motorist card all the way through to the next election, if only to limit the scale of their expected losses. For all that Europe is now burning right before our eyes, going green is undoubtedly a harder sell in the middle of a cost of living crisis.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/20/green-revolution-cost-of-living-crisis-heat-pump-car

    Posted 1 year ago #

  29. Morningsider
    Member

    What! Surely a cost of living crisis is exactly the time to get people thinking about travelling by bike or foot.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  30. Frenchy
    Member

    Surely a cost of living crisis is exactly the time to get people thinking about travelling by bike or foot.

    But "going green" clearly has to involve buying a brand new, enormous electric SUV.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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