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Climate, Covid, Brexit travel experience

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  • Started 3 years ago by LaidBack
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  1. LaidBack
    Member

    Talking of how difficult behavioural change is we had signed up to visiting Urban Arrow's new facility in Amsterdam.
    This our first trip out of Scotland since 2019.

    We 'had' to take plane in one direction as timings on Sunday preclude train passengers from Scotland making the connection to Amsterdam train on way out.
    Other factor was the fact this was first trip away since Bxt and Covid. You need to get Fit to Fly PCR test taken no more than 48 hours before you arrive. You need an NLGov Quarantine Declaration plus proof of vaccination. Plus reason for visit as cases still too high there.
    We had visions of travelling to London to be turned away even if train was possible.

    So KLM out and Eurostar + Sleeper back.
    Left house at 2pm, tram to airport and got through the checks with 15 mins to spare.
    Train from Schipol to Sloterdijk and in by 8pm (5 hours in transit, 90 mins on plane.

    Return next evening. Leave UA at 16.50, walk to station and take train to Amsterdam Centraal. Search out Eurostar reception on Platform 15 - nothing flashy. Show UK Locator forms 4 page pdf and proof of day 2 Antigen tests. Dutch passport followed by UK Border outpost in kiosk to stop anyone Ukania doesn't want getting on train.
    18.50 and into London at 21.57 (lose an hour). Run time for 220 miles just over four hours - yes East Coast line trains are faster. Mask obligatory but lots of coughing and food at bar running out. BrewDog IPA only, Heineken had run out.
    Then change trains with 0.5 mile walk up to Euston. Caledonian Sleeper very comfortable for a train. Safer too and back into Waverley at 07.20.

    Co2 stats pp
    122kg KLM 737 - 15kg Eurostar - 33kg Caledonian Sleeper - trains all electric

    Data estimates from http://www.ecopassenger.org

    This all under business expenses as train obviously more expensive. For people in South of England Eurostar is no brainer.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. fimm
    Member

    We went to Innsbruck to visit Mr fimm's parents entirely by train.
    Outward: sleeper to Euston, walk to St Pancras, Eurostar to Paris. 3 nights in Paris, hotel near Gare de Lyon. Then train to Zurich, two nights in Zurich, train to Innsbruck.

    Return: sleeper Innsbruck to Cologne, train Cologne to Brussels. 5 hour wait in Brussels (it turned out to be 3 hours because we were late into Cologne and missed the connection). Eurostar to London, night in London (we could theoretically have made the last train north but it would have been tight and we didn't want the stress). Train London - Edinburgh on the Sunday (which was affected by the weather, but at least we had all day).

    Covid - we had to have booked the two-day PCR tests for our Passenger Locator Forms to get back into the UK. We didn't actually get the tests till after we got back but we did them and got the results back.

    We had a French Covid passport app on our phones which they were quite keen to scan and which mostly worked. In Zurich you didn't need anything to sit outside a restaurant. In Austria they didn't scan the QR code but just looked at the (Scottish) app for vaccination dates. The Austrians also insist on FFP2 masks on trains etc, cloth ones won't do.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    “The Austrians also insist on FFP2 masks on trains etc, cloth ones won't do.“

    If only that had been the UK norm from the start…

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. neddie
    Member

    Our next family holiday abroad will almost certainly be an Inter-railing type holiday, travelling around the trains in Europe. Maybe even going as far as Moscow or St Petersburg. One day we'll take the Trans Siberian.

    That way we see more, spend longer, more comfortable ride and no flying / no intrusive airport procedures. This is it. This is the future.

    (Yes, we are privileged to have office jobs where we can take longer holidays)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. LaidBack
    Member

    Walking between St Pancras and Euston seems set to remain. Sleeper would be better at SP or King+. Train travel still seems very poor relation to air with Eurostar a London asset with little thought that stations there are not only a destination but interchange. Rest of UK bailed out the tunnel so a shared asset.
    So if you are in South you could be a Brexiteer and still enjoy breaks to nearby Paris and Amsterdam. Can also feel virtueos about green travel, unlike these cheap flight addicts to the North!
    Not sure if through train tickets are available using Sleeper and Eurostar. Should become a thing as I thought it wasn't bad although would consider Eurostar upgrade to avoid crowded standard for CV-19 reasons. When you fly you get announcements like all connections with KLM are 'realised'. When you train in UK you travel one stage at a time.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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