One of the people in my street drives a third of a mile to pick up a pint of milk or a bag of rolls.
One of the people in my street has been known to drive their child 300 metres to school.
CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Debate!
Reducing car travel
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Posted 2 years ago #
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The pandemic reduced the number of commuters, but hardly got rid of them. The latest ONS statistics show roughly 70% of working adults travelled in to work at some point during November 2021.
There is still a morning peak, although the pm peak is spread over a far longer time than pre-pandemic. Many people who commuted by car are still driving in the afternoon, not home from work, but for leisure or shopping purposes.
It might make some difference, but I reckon the "home working revolution" will do little to empty our roads.
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Hollowing out city centres sounds like a 70s town planner's wet dream. Likely to lead to ever-expanding low density suburbs (car-centric of course), out-of-town shopping malls and demands for more road building. Sounds wonderful.
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More like a planner's nightmare fever dream. Think Detroit, the ultimate example of a "hollowed out" urban centre...
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Don’t know how much the centre of Detroit is problematic - there are certainly significant ’abandoned’ areas.
Put a pin in a random place and got this!!
https://www.google.com/maps/place/5181-5101+Woodward+Ave,+Detroit,+MI+48202,+USA/@42.3580122,-83.0654056,18z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x8824d2bc516fc11b:0xd42ccba735bb69db?hl=en-GB&gl=uk
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Detroit is the classic example of flight to the suburbs, the so-called "donut effect".
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I don't know, most people who come into the city most days really don't want to be there.
The only difference between that Detroit picture and say Edinburgh is that in Edinburgh those green spaces are filled with empty dark boxes 16 hours a day.
Bit like empty cars being left on the road most of the time doing nothing, except bigger...
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To support the city’s carbon reduction target, the new strategy sets out the ambition of reducing car vehicle kilometres travelled in Glasgow by at least 30% by 2030 and urging residents to walk or cycle instead.
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Urging - such a track record of success.
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"Reducing car travel" - how about removing all private schools from Edinburgh. It was as quiet as Christmas day this morning.
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Start with giving them geographical catchment areas??
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Start with giving them geographical catchment areas??
Oooh, chaotic! The catchment areas wouldn't even have to cover the whole city; no areas with an SIMD index of greater than 6 to be included?
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What is
an SIMD index of greater than 6
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Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation. Greater than 6 is the least deprived areas.
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Think the notion is traffic reduction and educational inequality reduction…
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Across the UK, road tax raises about £7 billion a year specifically for road building and maintenance
Surely this is wrong - VED isn't hypothecated, is it? Doesn't it all go into the general taxation pot?
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The UK Government did have plans for hypothecation of VED paid in England, to fund the expansion of the strategic road network. Plans quietly dropped it seems:
https://www.highwaysmagazine.co.uk/VED-hypothecation-fizzles-out-after-2bn-Treasury-raid/9384
I doubt the journo knew anything about that though. Certainly never any plans to use the funds for road maintenance and wouldn't have applied to Scotland.
Posted 2 years ago # -
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20% car-km reduction by 2030
It's a @scotgov 'commitment' (not target)
But is their #RouteMap adequate? We think not
Pls comment by 6 April
IDEAS! Our draft response
-> http://spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2203-20-carkm-reduction-Spokes-response.pdf…“
https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1509120649532514307
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Consultation closes today.
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A recent chipwrapper piece on Scottish Government profligacy with ministerial limousines got me taking a poke around the online postings of FoI requests fulfilled
There are currently 28 ministerial 'cars' in 208 Government vehicles
The number of ministerial cars has reduced since 2015 from 41 (30% fewer) and there are 11 pure EV, with 17 hybrid (plug in) EV
Cost per vehicle barely down 2% 2019-20 vs 2020-21 BUT trips made cut by 75% .... so why is this? More WFH, Teams replacing Trips?
Even if this bounces post pandemic I suspect the reduction on ministerial trips in official cars signals a clear lead from Scot Gov
Any thoughts?
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Have been called up for jury duty. Only approx. 4 miles from home so perfect opportunity to clock up a few miles this week on the bike. Let me just check the website to see if it says whether or not there is secure bike parking available. (LOL long shot I know but thought I'd check anyway).
From the website:
Directions: Travelling to Dunfermline Sheriff Court
By bus...
By car...
By train...
Disabled users and car parking...
By Taxi...
BY AIR...
So there are directions on how to travel to Dunfermline Sheriff Court BY AIR but there's no mention of bike facilities. Feel like I'm being trolled by my own local judiciary.
Posted 2 years ago # -
@CocoShepherd Don’t forget to claim your 9.6p per mile!
Posted 2 years ago # -
So travelling by bike IS actually a thing
Posted 2 years ago # -
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Yes, as chaired by @AlastairDalton . Wasn't clear at the event whether @edinburghlabour supported it, but @MMBLabour later confirmed on Twitter that they were. You can listen here:
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All very well saying you are in favour of reducing car travel, but what does it mean when you are vocally opposed to the most effective travel demand management measures, such as congestion charging, the workplace parking levy or significant road-space reallocation.
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Quite.
So it’s necessary to remind them of their commitment and keep asking what they would do.
This is especially so in Ed now that Lab/Dr. SA (and perhaps supporting parties) are keen to show that they are ‘better than the SNP’…
Obviously this will be easy for Lab as they were clearly held back by the SNP in the last coalition (or something).
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