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  1. chdot
    Admin

    I have a small collection of books and maps about Edinburgh. This is the latest addition.

    Routes and destinations will be familiar!

    "Of late years the run to Gifford has become very popular partly because it is a fine route off the beaten track, but more especially because of the improved catering accommodation now provided in the village for Cyclists and Tourists."

    "Few routes from Edinburgh make a better cycling trip than the road over the Lammermuirs to Lauder. It is rather hilly both going and returning, but it has also many compensatory runs down hill, which delight the Cyclist and give a zest to hill climbing."

    "Ever since the dawn of cycling this has been a favourite route with Edinburgh votaries of the wheel. The time was when on the Spring Holiday almost every cyclist who could face the somewhat hilly road and the distance to Peebles and back went to Peebles that day."

    "The surface deteriorates as the road proceeds onwards, till it merges into a rough track, rising and falling over the moor by Harper Reservoir. There is little to be seen on the road. It is very lonely, and cyclists should not fail to carry a pump and repairing outfit, as in case of puncture there is little if any chance of assistance till Carnwarth or Carstairs is reached."

    "This is one of the most interesting routes from Edinburgh, and has always been a favourite road with Wheelmen."

    "In olden times Culross was an important town; the ring of the anvil was heard throughout the whole district, and the hammermen of the burgh made girdles for all the housewives of Scotland."

    "This is a favourite holiday run, though the Edinburgh cyclist seldom invades Fife on any other occasion. The Firth of Forth proves a serious barrier, and practically shuts off many a pleasant run."

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  2. That's fabulous!

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  3. steveo
    Member

    That is a very cool book.

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  4. SRD
    Moderator

    That's fab. Looks like you could still follow the instructions perfectly!

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  5. chdot
    Admin

    Scour the secondhand book shops.

    It's about this size.

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  6. SRD
    Moderator

    I notice that the same publishers also put out: "W. & A.K.Johnston's Maps to Illustrate the Niger and Upper Nile Questions W.& A.K.Johnston. 1898." Nice!

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  7. steveo
    Member

    Cue the next cce meet at the local old book shops...

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  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Definitely to be used for our first tweed/tartan pedal and pint run

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  9. chdot
    Admin

    Perhaps I should put up one ride a week and let people suggest a day (Sat/Sun), time (9,10?) and start place - Waterloo Place/Haymarket/? for a 'turn up and go' ride.

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  10. wingpig
    Member

    "Featuring
    • pleasingly archaic idioms
    ,
    and with a variety of
    • FONTS and TYPEFACES

    employed throughout."

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  11. chdot
    Admin

    "Alexander was fascinated with geography and was disgusted with the inaccuracies in maps available on Scotland so decided to make map making the primary concern of the business."

    http://www.edinburghcityofprint.org/pages/the-printing-industry/printing-houses/w-a-k-johnston.php

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  12. ruggtomcat
    Member

    @chdot a turn up and ride sounds like a great idea :)

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  13. chdot
    Admin

    "a turn up and ride sounds like a great idea"

    There are already quite a few, many listed here - http://cycling-edinburgh.org.uk .

    Was thinking people might like to try some of the routes in the book - they could read/print off the notes before the ride.

    That way if(??!) there were quite a few people they could ride in smaller/different speed groups (or solo) with a known route/destination.

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  14. ruggtomcat
    Member

    Well yeah, but I like hanging out with fellow forum-ites and there have been lots of noises about a social ride recently, and this could be just the very reason!

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  15. PS
    Member

    What's the route it suggests over the Lammermuirs to Lauder? Is it possible to do that whilst avoiding the As 7 & 68?

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  16. chdot
    Admin

    The book was written before 'traffic'!

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  17. PS
    Member

    Heh, thought it might be. No juggernauts back then.

    I've never really considered the A68 to go over the "Lammermoors", but I suppose it does go up over Soutra. I guess that's my perception of what constitutes "the hills" being clouded by the incursion of A-roads and traffic!

    It does look like a fantastic book. I've seen a few guidebooks (usually of places like the Lake District) of this vintage be reprinted as the copyright has presumably long since expired. Maybe a CCE edition of this one could raise a spot of cake money?

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  18. ruggtomcat
    Member

    We could get Kaputnik to do the cover...

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  19. SRD
    Moderator

    I'm hoping to do a family-friendly cycle to Cramond - I gather it can be done mostly off-road?

    We can now transport up to 5 kids between the two of us :)

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  20. ruggtomcat
    Member

    Haymarket station -> Crammond is all 'off road' (some quiet suburban streets) but its a fun time following the NCN signs. This is assuming that the ice at Crammond brig has thawed by now! Any updates?

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  21. Min
    Member

    Yes it is completely clear now.

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  22. chdot
    Admin

    "100 years ago (approx.)"

    Top image says -

    "Portobello has fine sands and a good promenade and pier"

    "Portobello Pier was designed by Thomas Bouch, who designed several of Scotland's railway routes, and also the Tay Rail Bridge which was unfortunately lost in a storm.

    The pier opened on 23 May 1871. Demolished in 1917"

    http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_a_o/0_around_edinburgh_-_portobello_pier.htm

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  23. kaputnik
    Moderator

    We could get Kaputnik to do the cover...

    Will happily illustrate for some of that fabulous PY parsnip cake...

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  24. wingpig
    Member

    Wonder what counted as a 'good' surface back then? Of what general sort of diameter were general sorts of tyre? What pressures were generally available to the average wheelman?

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  25. chdot
    Admin

    "what general sort of diameter were general sorts of tyre?"

    26" or 28"

    Might find more info here -

    http://www.thewheelmen.org ("1918 or earlier")

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  26. SRD
    Moderator

    what a lovely looking bike. Striking also that it is still recognizable, and even still usable as a 'normal' bike. No planned obsolescence there, just good design.

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  27. PS
    Member

    Portobello Pier was designed by Thomas Bouch

    Entirely off-topic, but coincidentally I was just reading about Bouch in another book last night. Born in Thursby near Carlisle. His health deteriorated rapidly after the Tay Bridge disaster and he died in Moffat the following year.

    I think he lived in Edinburgh and had designed the Forth (Rail) Bridge as a suspension bridge, but the Tay Bridge collapse put paid to that...

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  28. chdot
    Admin

    "Work started on building the Forth Bridge in 1883 and was officially completed in 1890. The present bridge was designed by John Fowler and Benjamin Baker and replaced the initial design by Thomas Bouch. Work on Bouch's Forth Bridge was stopped when his Tay Bridge collapsed in December, 1879 with the loss of 75 lives."

    http://www.forthbridgememorial.org/bridge.htm

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  29. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Bouch's design for the Forth Bridge looks terrifying. I can't find a picture online but I've seen sketches of the design in books. Indeed it was a single-line suspension bridge with none of the elegance and solidity of Fowler and Baker's design.

    According to "The High Girders" (great read about the first Tay Bridge) they got as far as beginning to construct one of the concrete piers on Inchgarvie before the NBR got cold feet and called the whole thing off after the Tay Bridge disaster.

    The High Girders makes him out to be a seasoned and practical engineer but from an earlier school of "make it up as you go along, learn on the job" sorts, who overplayed his hand and abilities with the Tay Bridge. He lacked the formal qualification, scientific and mathematical know-how and the knowledge of metallurgy and project management.

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  30. chdot
    Admin

    "
    He lacked the formal qualification, scientific and mathematical know-how and the knowledge of metallurgy and project management.

    "

    That's quite a long list of 'lacks'!

    Many 18/19th century engineers/innovators had surprisingly little 'schooling' and were often pioneering in fields where they were making it - not just making it up.

    It's possible to consider Bouch 'unlucky' as the Tay Bridge fell over when a gale pressed on a train crossing it. Clearly such a thing ought to have been anticipitated/calculated for.

    By contrast the magnificent Forth Bridge is massively over-engineered.

    Even in the late 20th C. with hindsight and computers, there was the Millennium Bridge by Tate Modern (and something similar in Glasgow!)

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