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Posted 2 years ago #
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Much of the budget undone, as well as the support for Energy bills beyond April.
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Madness!! -I mean where has low corporation tax and low income tax ever worked?.?
Um -The Republic of Ireland perhaps?.
12.5% corporation tax which has attracted Google,Apple,Lidl ,Aldi to name a few and these boys ain’t there for their love of Guinness
And a top rate of personal tax of 40% seems to attract quite a few rich bastards to reside there
Didn’t one A Salmond once want us to follow suit and become another Celtic Tiger.?.
Not a popular ideology any more in nationalist circles - but Ireland often still held up as an example of a successful small independent country
Would it be so without an even lower tax regime than was being proposed here?
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Assuming you’re not being ironic -
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The "Celtic Tiger" (Irish: An Tíogar Ceilteach) is a term referring to the economy of Ireland from the mid-1990s to the late 2000s, a period of rapid real economic growth fuelled by foreign direct investment. The boom was dampened by a subsequent property bubble which resulted in a severe economic downturn.
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WHAT a difference. Two governments, two economic statements. One delivered in Edinburgh was a recipe for hope; the other, delivered in London, was a recipe for despair.
Nicola Sturgeon presented the Scottish Government's new economic paper for an independent Scotland and spoke for more than an hour before taking questions and follow up questions from all the assembled journalists – questions she did her best to answer over the constant interruptions of the guy from the BBC.
Compare and contrast. Truss gave a brief statement, during which she accepted no responsibility for the actions of the chancellor she had just sacked, like a ventriloquist blaming her dummy. She hummed, ahhed, took four questions from journalists she hoped would be friendly, with no follow-ups allowed, and then she fled.
From Wee Ginger Dug in National
Yes I know that Indy has risks but floundering about in a non-union outwith the EU is also risky?
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Problem is (amongst all the other things) is that ‘growing the cake’ OR ‘dividing it up more fairly’ are really not much practical use.
Time for some serious redistribution of past wealth not future (maybe) income.
That’s not just ‘wealth taxes’ or to be done in individual countries - particularly in the West/North.
Of course NO mainstream politicians will suggest that beyond tokenistic manifesto ’promises’
More to the point, those who have acquired their ‘share’ aren’t about to hand any of it over..
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Not that this make much difference -
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But it also means avoiding uncomfortable realities. Our excessive inequality can’t be fixed entirely by levelling up. There will have to be some redistribution. Higher-than-average earners and mortgage-free homeowners are going to be in the frontline if and when this happens, and they know it. No wonder they would prefer to feign hardship than admit their privilege, and the need to reduce it.
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Looks like a new game of ‘blame the Middle Classes’ to divert attention from elsewhere…
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Not really, it seems like a perfectly fair point to me. Someone earning 60K+ *choosing* to economise a little so they can continue affording their second annual holiday abroad simply isn't the same as people having to literally dig down the back of the couch cushions so they can afford to run the heating enough to make sure their pipes don't freeze, and it is just a wee bit sickening to see the former types crowing about their thrift on social media when, as he notes in the article, the "fiscally responsible middle classes, profligate plebs" trope is so well-worn.
More pertinent perhaps is the reality that the main reason the truly rich have been able to steal away so much of the pie for themselves in the first place is that they so successfully harnessed the middle classes(as a group, obviously classes aren't monoliths) using an appeal to their selfishness; unlike America we don't have a national delusion that anyone can be a millionaire, but there is a sense of near certainty that if you're born middle class then you *will* end up in a salaried profession paid well above the norm, own property, and have a comfortable retirement, so all the wealthy and powerful had to do was convince the middle class they were more like them than they are like the hoi polloi - let's be honest, something many middle class people already very much want to believe - and so would benefit from a common policy platform with the wealthy rather than one of solidarity and shared prosperity.
The bankers, landowners, and corporates might have crafted the narrative, but plenty of middle class people bought into it wholesale and they've been putting Tories of one stripe or another in power for decades now as a result. Even if that changes, the least they can do is acknowledge the error.
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"Indy has risks"
When I had a smaller mortgage Indy seemed like a grand idea.
Now I'm old, and have a massive mortgage, the thought of interest rates being managed by a Central Bank who's economy you arent tied to, followed by the 20% debasement in the sterling Jockaroonie "sometime", and an eventual switch to the Euro which will create a hard border with the country we do most of our trade with seems more nuts than Brexit.
Hopefully a Labour Govt will come allong soon and make us feel all happy again like 1997 and put this to bed for a while.
After my Mortgage is paid for they can do what they like.
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All of that is rational and based on the continuation of the current economic system.
That is not primarily a UK issue.
Whether it or the UK endure are just items on a list of unknown unknowns.
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Whether Indy or not Scotland is likely to continue to oppose fracking, coal mining, nuclear power.
The argument about Scotland being at the mercy of economic forces we can't control is surely the reason to consider other approaches?
40% of Labour supporters think their should be a vote and some in party are pro-Indy. A more devolved Scotland would maybe reward Labour and increase their WM seat from one?Posted 2 years ago # -
“The argument about Scotland being at the mercy of economic forces we can't control“
Well yes but
Presume you’re referring to UKGov?
We all know how much they are in control of ‘economics’…
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Is it rational? Sounds more like a collection of standard-issue BT talking points to me, which is odd to hear from someone who once thought indy was "a grand idea"...
I always wonder - do people really change, or do they just eventually reveal who they were all along?
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Nope, voted yes in 2014. If you had me on twitter or FB you'd see all the propoganda on my timeline for yes then.
Then the sh*tshow that was Brexit happened, and the realisation that if such a small (comparitively to Indy) change could cause so much turmoil for the country and have such a dire financial impact on each and every one of us, what will the magnified impact be of Indy.
The impact of Brexit is a drop in the ocean to the -ve financial impact that Indy will have on all of us.
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At least it will be our own dire financial mess though, cheers. ;)
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I was struck by the comments made by one of Nicola’s own economic advisors - Prof Mark Blyth - pulling out of a 300 year old union with free movement of goods , people and services is going to be lot messier than pulling out of a 30 year EU union
He reckoned it would be “Brexit times ten”( but worth it eventually in his opinion)
I think Nichola will be canny enough to have learnt from the success of the Brexit campaign -namely to deal in broad optimistic terms “taking back control” and so on, rather than discussing difficult detail which may not be so flattering to the cause.
However detail is the habitual abode of Don DiabloPosted 2 years ago # -
Pro Indy economist says "ScotGov currency plans are so wrong he'd vote no in a future referendum":
https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1582400361020772355Posted 2 years ago # -
Anyone else feel like a Canadian watching US politics?
We've been waterboarded all year with incompetent right wing politicians being discussed by right wing commentators. (No Tory majority here since mid 1950s)
Scotland's sole Labour MP Ian Murray was allowed to present his view on Radio Scotland but I note Shona Craven and Andrew Tickell aren't getting so many BBC gigs.
The UK is a very odd Union of countries. I reckon a Labour government in England will at least have dialogue with ScotGov. Joanne Cherry worked well with them on restricting BJ and his BS.
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Liz has just trussed off
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BoJo standing, couldn't make it up.
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If he came back I reckon the First Minister could simply declare independence and the EU, UN and co. would shrug and go "fair enough".
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Thought he was still being investigated?
Impeach the PM
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State media Scottish branch™ are going big on the 'everyone loves Boris' theme.
(In bed with flu like thing so listened on catch up to Mornings with Stephen Jardine.)
Few actual callers. Few texts in saying GE should take place asap, balanced against much longer contributions from professional commentators with Tory leanings. Not many local voices. Henry Hill etc.
For a supposedly Scottish oriented show it allowed the meme that 'the country loves BJ' to run - in contrast to opinion poling in Scotland that would suggest the opposite. So very Radio 5 Live and not reflected in reality here.
Now Stephen did point out BJ's criminal lies but those daft enough to phone in said that ordinary people wouldn't worry and he was the one voted for in 2019.
Ex PMs get £115k pension btw but Liz Truss is really the person to dislike.
Finally Nick Jones ex political correspondent from BBC came in and shamelessly plugged the Boris line.
Scotland, Wales and NI are spectators, as is much of England. Democracy is being destroyed as people tune out.
Apart from podcasts and a couple of newspapers alternative views are not being heard. Listenership of Radio Scotland probably historic anomaly though!Posted 2 years ago # -
@Laidback - they are all at it! Endless vox pops with raging loons and interviews with stark staring bonkers Tory backbenchers - who all seem to have forgotten the Tory wipe out at the last English local government elections and seismic byelection losses.
"Boris" is a media creation and they simply can't seem to let go. Thinking of stationing a bucket in front of the TV, as it is only a matter of time before I ralph.
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The politics of eternity beckons as so much of politics is about "being" rather than "doing" these days. In that in simply "being" Johnson need not address the various nefarious things that he's been doing. Truss was attempting the same trick but was unable to pull it off, so hopefully we're not as close as all that. Maybe sufficient Tories will indicate they will cross the floor to render the bouncing buffoon's candidacy moot. Relying on Tories for moral fibre though...what a position to be in.
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Today I realised that I would be quite relaxed about a scenario whereby the army declare martial law, forcibly remove all tories from Westminster and get some kind of stability sorted long enough to get another election on the go. Preferably with some more balanced voting system than FPTP. I never thought I would see such madness in the UK as we are seeing this week.
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National front page nails it. 'No liar, cheat or crook should hold office of PM once, let alone twice'.
https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1583560505284874252Guardian front page has 'Tory tribes go to war'.
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