I much preferred David Hunter when he ran the Crossroads Motel for Meg Richardson/Mortimer and he was a [Rule 2] then
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Dundee Street & Fountainbridge "Improvements"
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Posted 3 months ago #
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David Hunter, the group’s Convener, said: ”Despite a £10 million price tag, the plans for Dundee Street would not only leave many pavements below the minimum width recognised in both local and national guidance, they would actually reduce pavement space.
“New cycle lanes shouldn’t come from walking space. We’ve already seen how pedestrian space was squeezed out in Leith Walk, and Dundee Street would make the same mistake. We really need to see the Council stick to its own policy - that means putting pedestrians’ needs first, above other road users.”
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https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/council-breaking-promise-to-put-pedestrians?
Posted 1 month ago # -
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Walking campaign group Living Streets Edinburgh has come out against a proposed active travel scheme for Dundee Street and Fountainbridge. Sign up to our daily newsletter
It says the plans fail to put pedestrians first, with pavements reduced in width in at least 12 locations and many left below the minimum width recognised in both local and national guidance.
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Posted 1 month ago # -
"Walking campaign group".
Interesting description for a group that spends its time almost exclusively campaigning against cycling schemes.
Posted 1 month ago # -
Urgh! What a depressing start to the year.
[cyclists should just use these back-streets] in Shandon and North Merchiston rather than Dundee Street
Have we gone back to the 20th Century?
Posted 1 month ago # -
They are not a group It is one Roaster
Posted 1 month ago # -
"Careful, that guy on the bike wants your cookie" said the motorist to the pedestrian....
Posted 1 month ago # -
OMG that LSE grifter again.
Living Streets Edinburgh supports the provision of alternative routes for cyclists to the congested Union Canal towpath, but suggests this should be achieved using traffic-free and quiet streets in Shandon and North Merchiston rather than Dundee Street.
There are no E-W thoroughfares except the Canal, Dundee St & Gilmore Place. David Hunter (ie LSE, for it is he) is steadfastly against cycling on the Canal and segregated cycle paths on either road.
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The Canal Towpath is the designated cycle route NCN 75 - there are signs all along it telling that walloper this,. He is just a troller. I bet Living Streets dont have a constitutional way of removing him and are just hoping he will FOAD. To avoid his litigation.
Posted 1 month ago # -
Blackford Safe Routes have put together a consultation response on this mostly excellent and transformative scheme:
Posted 1 month ago # -
Wee reminder. Closes tomorrow, 12 Jan.
A rainy day like today is the ideal time to get your responses in!
Posted 1 month ago # -
I got my response in yesterday and was going to go and give the alt\canal route a go this afternoon but I'll do that tomorrow instead.
Do we know who it is that will read the responses? Anonymous Jacobs consultants who have only been to the location via StreetView, or councilfolk who might regularly use the daft triple-swerve exit from the St Leonard's Street channel?
Posted 1 month ago # -
I have submitted. Not normally asked my exact details but that keeps out robots. The reader will be big Rurigdh Mac
Posted 1 month ago # -
While detailed comments are good, the most important thing pro-cycling folk can do is to tick every 'strongly support' in any consultation on cycle infrastructure run by the Council.
The detail is handy for officers, but the Councillors will have eyes only for the headline figures, and they decide whether a scheme proceeds or not. The more popular a scheme looks to politicians the more likely they are to say yes.
Posted 1 month ago # -
Good point @morningsider, i did strongly agree with all the proposed changes.
Posted 1 month ago # -
Mine were all "strongly agree" but with "but" then some additional recommendations but I never know whether to cite existing local cycling-specific infra as either good or improvable examples, rather than describing everything from scratch.
Posted 1 month ago # -
I've also completed it, and put "strongly agree" for everything.
Posted 1 month ago # -
I did the consultation, and was strongly supportive for everything except Telfer Subway egress onto Dundee St which may be cycle infra but it still needs improvement (and is probably insoluble).
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Like Arellcat I've also done the consultation and highlighted the issue with the partially ramped steps from the Telfer Subway up to Dundee St.
These seem to have been missed by both this project and the Roseburn to Union canal project where the Toucan crossing across the WAR ends. This dumps me on my handcycle at the bottom of these steps which aren't sufficiently ramped so I ground and cannot use them.
I raised this with the project team at the grand opening in December 2024 and followed up (as requested by them) with emails but got no response.
Unfortunately, without an improvement to the route to Dundee Street from the Telfer Subway I'll still have to handcycle along Gorgie Road and Henderson Terrace to get to Dundee Street.Posted 1 month ago # -
I reckon the easiest solution to the Telfer subway issue is to continue the cycle lane along the WAR to the next crossing (Morrison Crescent). There is a nice clear verge that could be used, which the Council probably already owns. While a bit tight, the ramp at that crossing is far easier to get up than the telfer subway steps/ramp.
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Wouldn’t even need to go up the zigzags.
Just back along other side of WAR to Drysdale Road.
Why that verge hasn’t been a path for decades is a mystery/standard CEC practice.
Could even have got various developers to pay for it…
Posted 1 month ago # -
@chdot
Drysdale Road already the way to go from WAR crossing with any longer bike. Shame though they discouraged / hid thevroute by dropping giant planters on it!
The answer of course was to continue the cycle route from Roseburn and install a cycle crossing at the already signalled junction. This would be cheaper than endless consultants reports and meet with requirements of hand cyclists straight away avoiding stupidly tight zig zags.
I walked through the new Leamington block between the canal and Dundee St. This has a zig zag 'hanging garden' ramp but really aimed at residents. Cyclists will soon be able to go diagonally down from lift bridge once a route without a staircase is built (!)
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All this would be somewhat understandable if Jacobs were some remote never-been-to-the-neighbourhood entity, but their EH office is (checks notes) 160 Dundee St, Fountainbridge, Edinburgh...
Should have read through this before making my notes and filling it in, as I only noticed Jacobs on the map when peering at the Telfer Subway section of the plans. Their name is known from previous consultations but I'd have rootle about in some old PDFs on an external drive to check which - are they maybe the creators of the Cyclist Blender, or are inset road-crossings like on the CCWEL or the 90° twists like on the St Leonard's Street route amongst their characteristic flourishes? One of my PLEASE bits when I was getting exasperated towards the end was asking them to make sure kerb-constrained lanes are wide enough for gritters/brush-wagons and non-standard wide/long/>2-wheeled cycles. Another PLEASE was to not plan reasonable/improved infra but then knacker it with a forest of ill-placed crossing-button poles and sign supports which weren't on the consultation designs.
It's also interesting that the metal utility-cupboard is gone from the bi-directional bit in front of Fountain Park opposite Gibson Terrace. If these can be moved, then they can be moved from other places, like the one making a pinch-point near the Bankhead tram-stop.
Posted 1 month ago # -
The WAR junction with missing crossing.
New cut through from canal at new Leamington Blocks.
Posted 1 month ago # -
That last photo takes @davemccraw to his office door
Posted 1 month ago # -
“If these can be moved, then they can be moved from other places, like the one making a pinch-point near the Bankhead tram-stop.“
Ah yes, the can can.
CCE used to have threads/lists of what c/should be fixed…
Now ‘we’ are stuck in an endless cycle of trying to make sure things don’t get worse.
There was a time when it was possible to talk to individual Cllrs in the hope they’d listen, understand and talk to officials.
There have been (and still are) good officials. Sometimes with good bosses and (with luck) enthusiastic/positive/committed lead Cllrs.
Now they have fewer colleagues, smaller budgets, more things that need doing and absurd amounts of consultations/responses to deal with.
And they (and ‘we’) have to be concerned about consultant firms and whether or not they will put the most junior staff on projects…
Posted 1 month ago # -
Edinburgh streets: Safe routes campaigners back Fountainbridge active travel scheme and call critics 'NIMBYs'
EEN article:
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Irony of ironies, Brave Sir Arthur fired back at Blackford Safer Routes on FB for (I paraphrase) 'commenting beyond their area'.
Of course, Blackford Safer Routes exists in its current form to defend active travel provision due to Arthur's sleekit convenorship of the Transport Committee coming for 'their' area...
Posted 1 month ago # -
LOL. Who knew there were geographical limits to keeping children safe from cars and their drivers?
BSR took the decision a long time ago to defend the frontline, wherever that may be. Because if left defenceless, they are coming for you next...
Posted 1 month ago # -
This looks a bit like unnamed people in Blackford telling people in Fountainbridge what's good for them
Nothing like your local Labour(!) MP trying to stoke a culture war. Would he also accuse council officers of "telling people in Fountainbridge what's good for them"?
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