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  1. chdot
    Admin

    ...without the need for n+1" Says Anth.

    There have been various threads on here about n+1.

    Various discussions about 'permission to buy new bike', storage space etc.

    I think there was (almost) a consensus that you 'need' two (especially if you cycle to work) for when you've got a puncture.

    Not sure if anyone has done a list.

    You don't need ALL.

    The 'do everything bike' - with panniers, towing hitch and kid's seat.

    The 'reliable get me where I need to go bike' - puncture proof(ish) tyres, not too many gears that might go wrong etc.

    The racer (aka road bike) - pose or serious.

    The tourer - day or distance.

    The fixie - pose or 'it's all you need really'.

    The singlespeed - as above but less 'full-on'.

    The folder - for busy train routes. (Subset "Brompton" - may or may not be a fetish object.)

    The cargobike - when a trailer won't do.

    The classic - bit like an old car (usually in bits).

    The retro - 'it's so cool'.

    The Chopper (or similar) - 'I had one when I was a kid'.

    The 'mountain bike' - never sees a mountain.

    The Mountain Bike - for serious off-road use.

    The downhill Mountain Bike - for very serious off-road use.

    The recumbent - apparently some people think they are 'the only sort of bike' aka 'invisible bike'.

    The recumbent tricycle - apparently a smaller number of people think they are 'the only sort of bike'.

    'Ordinary' tricycle - not just for those with no balance.

    Ordinary aka penny farthing.

    Tandem - for people with close friends.

    BMX - trick or transport.

    Special sport - Polo, Speedway etc.

    Track (not to be confused with "fixed" - which should have a front brake to be street legal.)

    Ornament - should/does hang on wall.

    Other.

    Some of the above may be interchangeable. Most have subdivisions.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I once wrote an article in which I investigated the theory of (n+1).

    "...Perhaps at the root of 'one more bike' is our desire to try new things, and competitive spirit encourages us to go faster, further, longer using less energy. You can ride bumpy, wet offroad trails using skinny road tyres on a frame with no mud clearance, but you might slide and fall off. You can ride on tarmac using tractor tyres and full suspension, but it'll be hard work. You can carry planks of wood and tow bicycles on almost any upright two wheeler, but a load bike or a trailer lets you carry more, more safely. You might be able to take your long wheelbase recumbent bike with four panniers into a hotel room, but a folding bike could make it a lot easier. Indeed, three was the Magic Number which De La Soul referred to in the 1990 single, and it looks good for cyclists and motorbikers too."

    Based on actual data, and taking into account interchangeability, redundancy and threshold limits, it turns out the correct number of bicycles to own is 'about three'.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    "it turns out the correct number of bicycles to own is 'about three'"

    I think that is a reasonable hypothesis.

    I claim 'special case' and say "about 5".

    Though I am aware that some of mine are very similar - apart from the colour...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. 'About 5' seems right to me.

    I've got MTB, Commuter/Tourer and will have Racer/Tourer and Classic. I do still kinda hanker after a cargobike. But I tihnk I'm going to have a go at designing and building my own trailer instead.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    P.s. I didn't even use the word hybrid in the above list!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. steveo
    Member

    I think Arellcat is right about 3 seems appropriate. Which just happens to be the max i can store in doors.

    I've got my (non functional) single speed commuter my Racer (actual commuter) and my Mountain Bike which doubles as commuter in emergencies.

    I'd quite like to build a trailer which would save a cargo bike. I'd like a Tourer to replace the Racer given the closest i get to racing is wacky commuter racing even a kaff would be more appropriate.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. steveo
    Member

    Oh i forgot my ancient 10 speed in the hut that was to be a project but i've never gotten round to it.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. Smudge
    Member

    Actually whilst there is always room for tweaking/improvement of the fleet, I think I may be close to my n(zen)...
    I have a good MTB for off road trails/snow
    A nice road bike set up for audaxy type use
    A "do it all" tourer for commuting and everything else.

    I'm looking for a cheap folder just now (anyone selling one? Cash available today!!) and I feel that once I have one of those in the stable then I'll have covered all the options that I use :)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "forgot my ancient 10 speed in the hut"

    Classic or retro?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. wingpig
    Member

    "I think there was (almost) a consensus that you 'need' two (especially if you cycle to work) for when you've got a puncture."

    The need to repair something on one which can't be completed (or at least put back in a usable way) in an evening would be a more successful reason for a second/spare bike. Against punctures, I have Armadilloes. Failing that, spare tubes. If required, old-but-still-usable tyres. If spokes break I have some spares. If required, spare wheels. The frameset in the loft will be almost identical in function and capabilities to existingbike but would allow existingbike to undergo lengthier repair and maintenance processes without leaving me stuck with just my feet.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. steveo
    Member

    Classic or retro?
    I think classic/rusty would be the best description.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "can't be completed (or at least put back in a usable way) in an evening"

    It's more about getting ready to go and noticing the flat that 'wasn't there last night'.

    Followed by 'how many times will it need blown up on the way to work'...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Audax / light tourer / long distance / winter / training / "retro" (with modern conveniences a.k.a STIs and SPDs) road bike
    "Serious" road bike
    "Serious" long distance touring bike
    Singlespeed / commuter / "retro" bike

    If I stick at time trialling, I'd seriously consider a TT specific bike. I also enjoyed the choosing bits, saving them up and putting them all together (and solving all the problems!) bit a lot so would like to build something myself again. Maybe next year...

    I can't think of any other bikes I need. My tourer works as a "do it all" for carrying heavy loads (cargo/shopping) or for winter commuting. My audaxy bike takes me places that are further away but I don't need to carry a load. The road bike was a considerable investment, so is kept only for events, training and Saturday or club runs.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  14. Min
    Member

    My cross bike does almost everything a person could possibly want a bike for on its own but I still "need" my road bike as a fast bike and my folder to take on trains/as a commuter if the cross wakes up with a flat. Plus they are all great fun to ride but just in completely different ways.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    "Plus they are all great fun to ride but just in completely different ways."

    An important factor.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  16. wingpig
    Member

    Maybe it's due to not having an entire ready-to-use spare bike but (even though punctured Armadilloes are rare) I tend to check my tyres when I get in, before I go to sleep and when I go downstairs in the morning as well as before I leave so that I'm not unpleasantly surprised by a flat without sufficient time to fix it before having to leave. It'd possibly be slightly quicker to replace a tube and bike in rather than just walk in; it'd probably depend how ready-to-leave I was.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  17. Nelly
    Member

    Singlespeed for commuting, shopping, general messing about, Roadbike for fun/weekends etc, MTB for muddy stuff.

    I pretend I have enough, but........I would like a tourer as well, and perhaps a geared bike for commuting up hills on the 'tired' days.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  18. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    What about multiple versions of the same type of bike? I've got a summer road bike and a winter one.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  19. amir
    Member

    I'd be perfectly happy with one bike, if:
    - the weather was always warm and dry
    - bike parts didn't wear out
    - bikes didn't get stolen
    - perfect road surfaces
    - didn't need to carry owt
    ...

    then again - I might want to take up mtbing again

    Posted 13 years ago #
  20. Dave
    Member

    I'm getting by with two bikes - one for Glentress (which is also doing commuter duty just now) and one for everywhere else.

    Supposing bikes were free and we had a double garage, I'd certainly own a velomobile, an ordinary recumbent trike, a rediculously powerful cargo bike, a dedicated urban bike, and a civilised bike (Pashley style) along with trailers such that any one could tow at least one of the others... ;-)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  21. wee folding bike
    Member

    Today I used a Brompton S2L-X superlight to and from work then a Pashley with a kid trailer to take 15 kg of SQA exam scripts to the post office. On the way back I picked up two kids at school and a third at the nursery.

    Between the post office and the school a guy in car told me there was nobody in the trailer.

    Even my 3 Bromptons are quite different from each other and are used for different things. I'll be going for a ruby in town tomorrow so I could use the M6R with SON lights or, if it's not raining, the S2L-X with battery lights.

    Still wondering about carrying one kid's bike on the trailer as far as the school. I might need to do that next year.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    I'd like a Dawes Super Galaxy, a Pashley Sovereign, A Pashley Roadster, various surly, that one in the bike chain just for sand, a specialized roubaix....

    bit like Sting and all his guitars/lutes

    Posted 13 years ago #
  23. wee folding bike
    Member

    I see Dawes have come out with a sort of retro Galaxy.

    http://www.dawescycles.com/p-395-clubman.aspx

    Posted 13 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    "designed to have a retro modern appearance"

    Mmm

    Posted 13 years ago #
  25. crowriver
    Member

    How can it be 'retro' with blooming carbon forks and a 'leather look' saddle?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  26. kaputnik
    Moderator

    And that top tube is a few degrees off straight! Not to mention the "airstream" typeface is well out of place on something trying to evoke English 1950s "clubman" type ride.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  27. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I have 2 bikes, a very cheap 200 quid mountain bike that has done oh about 200 miles in 3 years and just takes up space in the garage. I bought these (my wife has one too) to try get my wife into cycling, turns out she doesn't like cycling very much :(
    My other bike is a very expensive Cervelo carbon road bike which doubles as my commuter/weekend fun bike and is used all year round rain/hail/snow. Reckon it's cheaper to run all year round in maintenance etc, than it would be to buy a semi-decent winter bike.

    So in my case n really does equal 1.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  28. LaidBack
    Member

    "designed to have a retro modern appearance"

    Mmm

    Heritage is the future.
    At some point it must stop (or go into reverse) - surely////?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  29. Smudge
    Member

    "n" now reached.... until something changes...! B-)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  30. TwoWheels
    Member

    I want a folder.

    Posted 13 years ago #

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