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  1. Dave
    Member

    I'm disappointed, but not surprised that this scheme has been neutered. It now means that with the exception of our own street, where it's hard even to achieve 20mph due to the number of double-parked cars, the entire 20mph zone will basically have no effect on any of my journeys.

    I am encouraged that the section of Ratcliffe Terrace will still be changed, but really it could have been so good...

    My response to the committee is also not included in the document. Do they not have a statutory responsibility to include all submissions?

    Would anyone else who wrote in care to confirm this by checking the PDF (http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/32958/item_23-south_edinburgh_20mph_limit_pilot-response_to_traffic_regulation_order_consultation), as I think I'd like to complain...

    Posted 12 years ago #

  2. Nelly
    Member

    "You might also be able to plot a nice road map with average speeds for different route sections "

    Or you could use the bus tracker app.

    Oh, I forgot, its not always accurate because of traffic in busy sections of road !!

    Posted 12 years ago #

  3. crowriver
    Member

    Dave, I also replied to the consultation but as I live outside the area my response was presumably ignored. Why were the Duddingston residents' association taken seriously though I wonder?

    Posted 12 years ago #

  4. Dave
    Member

    Wait, I found my submission after all - they abbreviated it which is why I missed it (and listed without the postcode which I also searched on).

    I've written a vexed email in the other topic. Well, and in my email client also.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  5. Kirst
    Member

    And there's more http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2478/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee

    Posted 12 years ago #

  6. Kirst
    Member

    This link was sent to me while I was on annual leave and I've just got around to opening the email

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2478/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee

    Posted 12 years ago #

  7. Kirst
    Member

    Look, http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2642/city_of_edinburgh_council two questions next week about cycling in Edinburgh. Can anyone go to the meeting?

    Posted 12 years ago #

  8. SRD
    Moderator

    You could time how long it takes from the introduction of item 4.8 until someone mentions pavement cycling, RLJs, etc

    Posted 12 years ago #

  9. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    "QUESTION NO 8
    By Councillor Johnstone for answer by the Convener of the Transport Infrastructure and Environment Committee at a meeting of the Council on 2 February 2012
    Question
    What action is being taken to make cycling in Edinburgh safer?    "

    "QUESTION NO 10
    By Councillor Johnstone for answer by the Convener of the Culture and Leisure Committee at a meeting of the Council on 2 February 2012
    Question
    What action is the Convener taking to ensure a long-term future for track cycling in Edinburgh given the issues surrounding the condition of the Velodrome?    "

    Posted 12 years ago #

  10. ruggtomcat
    Member

    I am probably free but don't do very well at meetings...

    Posted 12 years ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

    I'll be more interested in the answer to question 10.

    Don't think there is any prospect of any sort of new one.

    I'm sure everyone is hoping it won't become so 'not fit for purpose that it has to shut, but...

    Posted 12 years ago #

  12. Kirst
    Member

    More papers published today http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2648/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee

    Posted 12 years ago #

  13. crowriver
    Member

    Interesting snippet:

    "6 It is recommended that the level of fine for civil infringement of bus lanes should be set at £60, which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days in accordance with the legislation.
    93521_Bus Lane Camera Enforcement.doc
    7 The recommended level of fine is in line with guidance received from the Scottish Government and is consistent with the parking ticket charge for on street parking contraventions. The current charge for a criminalised bus lane offence issued by the Police (who are unable to offer any discount for early payment) is £30."

    From: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/34914/item_21-bus_lane_camera_enforcement-charging_level_for_civil_bus_lane_infringements

    Posted 12 years ago #

  14. Dave
    Member

    Will they be able to use traffic wardens to enforce bus lane use up Leith Walk / Leith St then? For instance, there are ALWAYS delivery minis obstructing the bus lane on Leith Walk and ALWAYS cars parked in it on Leith St.

    Honestly, I could hold down a part-time job as a traffic warden just by spraying out tickets on my commute...

    Posted 12 years ago #

  15. crowriver
    Member

    According to the same document:

    Appendix - Bus lane camera enforcement sites.
    Location
    Direction
    1
    A71 at Calder Junction
    Inbound
    2
    Calder Road before Bankhead Avenue
    Outbound
    3
    Leith Street
    Inbound
    4
    London Rd at Jocks Lodge
    Outbound
    5
    North Bridge
    Outbound
    6
    Old Dalkeith Road at Cameron Toll
    Inbound
    7
    Prestonfield
    Bus gate
    8
    The Jewel
    Bus gate
    9
    Willowbrae Rd (Duddingston crossroads)
    Outbound
    10
    Willowbrae Road at Jocks Lodge
    Inbound

    So, no joy for Leith Walk I'm afraid, Leith Street is the nearest camera.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  16. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    There are signs up and ready at the last in the list there saying 'Bus Lane Cameras Operational' or some such similar. Spray painted cross over them just now, but clearly in anticipation of going live.

    Do they detect parked cars then? At that particular site that's the main problem - you simply can't drive in the bus lane because of the number of parked cars!

    Posted 12 years ago #

  17. cb
    Member

    If there are parked cars then it sounds like it's not a bus lane (i.e. outside operating hours).

    IME parked cars in bus lanes are pretty rare.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  18. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    Going to have to ride the route tonight to read the restriction sign (not clear on GoogleMaps, there's a single yellow line) but "IME parked cars in bus lanes are pretty rare" doesn't mean it doesn't happen - definitely is a bus lane and definitely is parked in during operational hours.

    Actually the closer that gets to Jock's Lodge the bus lane disappears, and so everyone has to drive in the right hand lane because of parked cars (99 times out of 100 on that route) so most people will already be on the right and away from the bus lane anyway knowing what's coming.

    Lothian Road bus lanes quite often have people parked for loading/unloading as well.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    ENews just caught up -

    "
    The 10 bus lane hotspots to be cameras’ focus

    http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/the_10_bus_lane_hotspots_to_be_cameras_focus_1_2120735

    "

    Posted 12 years ago #

  20. Kirst
    Member

    Interesting stuff in the current lot of paperwork http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2718/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee

    Posted 11 years ago #

  21. chdot
    Admin

    Only one mentioning cycling in the title -

    "
    B924 Bo'ness Road/Hopetoun Road - Commencement of Statutory Procedures to Permit Use of Footways by Cyclists

    "
    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/35644/item_14-b924_bonesshopetoun_road-commencement_of_statutory_procedures_to_permit_use_of_footways_by_cyclists

    To do with new Forth bridge.

    More parking restrictions and pedestrian crossings - and much more!

    Posted 11 years ago #

  22. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Other semi-relevant bits;

    Removal of pedestrian guard rails to be piloted now they have worked out how best to risk assess it.

    A pilot has been performed in which Council officers trialled the use of the PGR Assessment Form in Leith and the City Centre at the following locations:
    Forrest Road/Teviot Place junction,
    Easter Road/Duke Street junction,
    Leith Street, between Calton Road and Waterloo Place.

    And there's a list of sites where they MIGHT built a pedestrian crossing because they passed the entrance exams.

    Posted 11 years ago #

  23. Kirst
    Member

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2718/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee

    Posted 11 years ago #

  24. Dave
    Member

    "To note that Council agreed at the time of the last Budget 2011/12 that the 5% of the transport budget spend on cycling would increase by 1% each year to 2016/17. The review of how funds were to be spent on cycling should therefore take into account this annual increment."

    Posted 11 years ago #

  25. crowriver
    Member

    @Dave, good spot!

    Posted 11 years ago #

  26. Kirst
    Member

    More http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2778/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee

    Posted 11 years ago #

  27. crowriver
    Member

    Well, looks like a cracker of a meeting.

    Pluses:
    Item No 6.4 - Cycling in the City - 5% Transport Spend Commitment and the Delivery of the Active Travel Action Plan (Reports, PDF, 500.24 KB)
    IItem No 7 - The Sir Chris Hoy Cycle Network - A Golden Legacy for Edinburgh (Reports, PDF, 455.29 KB)
    Item No 14 - InterCity East Coast Franchise Consultation (Reports, PDF, 471.93 KB)
    Item No 22 - The Shore - Introduction of a Contraflow Bus Lane, Parking Restrictions and Prohibited Traffic Movements (Reports, PDF, 964.19 KB)

    On the other hand:
    Item No 6.5 - Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Review (Reports, PDF, 586.67 KB)
    Item No 17 - Parking in Central Edinburgh During Summer and Winter Festivals (Reports, PDF, 557.66 KB)
    Item No 18 - Double Yellow Lines in South Morningside (Reports, PDF, 549.59 KB)
    Item No 21 - Priority Parking Area B1 - Proposed Amendments (Reports, PDF, 1.14 MB)

    Posted 11 years ago #

  28. Greenroofer
    Member

    @crowriver: I think that the Double Yellow Lines in South Morningside should go in the plus box :-)

    Reading the report (with a vested interest as a resident of one of the streets in scope!) it sounds like the Council had reacted to 500+ 'standardised comments' in their consultation about parking and wanted the lines removed or shortened, and the council officials have had a look at the situation and suggested that things be left as they are (more or less).

    The phrase from the report that I found most interesting was this: "The Council’s first responsibility is to ensure the safety of all road users and providing parking spaces must be a secondary consideration." (my italics)

    So the residents of this area (people who are used to getting things their own way, I would suggest) are being politely told they will have to manage without the extra spaces. As a car owner and someone who walks two children to school through the area, I am glad to hear it!

    How do we tell if the proposal was accepted?

    Posted 11 years ago #

  29. crowriver
    Member

    @Greenroofer, yes they've rejected most of the proposed shortening of double yellows, however:

    3.32 In view of this it cannot be considered that a reduction in the length of the majority of these restrictions would best serve the interests of road safety. However, in view of the strength of opinion from local residents and as a result of consultation with elected members representing this area, it is accepted that there is potential to adopt a compromise position, where additional overnight parking is created by the replacement of part of the double yellow lines with single yellow lines at selected junctions.
    3.33 This compromise would see the double yellow lines reduced from 10m to 6m at the junctions of Craiglea Drive with St Clair terrace, St Ninian’s Terrace and St Fillan’s Terrace, and lengths of single yellow lines (operating between 08:00 and 18:00 hours Monday to Friday) introduced in their place. This would allow vehicles to be parked overnight in these areas but would prevent parking during those times when schoolchildren would be most likely to be present.

    As 'we' all know, many drivers ignore single yellows routinely. So unless the parking attendants are out in force on weekdays I'd expect inconsiderate (ie. potentially dangerous) parking to increase at the 'compromise'(d) junctions.

    "The Council’s first responsibility is to ensure the safety of all road users and providing parking spaces must be a secondary consideration."

    Well if they really believed that, why oh why are there car parking spaces on the 'Quality Bike Corridor'?

    Posted 11 years ago #

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