http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/24/safety-red-lights-cyclists
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"How can safety at advanced stop zones be improved for cyclists?"
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Posted 13 years ago #
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"One force which does hold separate statistics for ASZs is the City of London police. A spokesperson told me that in the past three years City Police issued 12 fixed penalties to motorists for entering ASZs unlawfully. Yet in the same period it handed out just over 6,000 fixed penalties to cyclists for jumping red lights.
"thats quite a stat
Posted 13 years ago # -
Any FOI experts fancy asking for the stats from Local and Boring?
Posted 13 years ago # -
reading the comments it appears London Police have specific officers on red light duties for cyclists
theres even a video linking to them not pulling cars for being in the ASZ while monitoring cyclistsPosted 13 years ago # -
Yeah, I'm sure I've seen a video of police in London fining RLJers. It was a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Wouldn't the article have been better titled "How can we get everybody to stop at those big fat white lines painted on the roads?". Motorists cross the stop lines to encroach on the advance stop zone and cyclists cross the stop lines encroaching on the crossing.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Councillor Lesley Macinnes said: "We've worked extremely closely with Spokes and Sustrans to bring forward these improvements...
It would be an improvement if we were safely segregated beside the cars, not perilously plonked in front of them.
Who told the council ASZs were a good idea in the first place?
Posted 6 years ago # -
"Drivers risk a fine of £100 and three penalty points if they enter an ASL when the lights are red."
I suppose they do - roughly the same risk as being hit by a meteorite.
Posted 6 years ago # -
At great expense, installation of automatic bollards at ASLs could prevent large vehicles from entering ASZs and from setting off at the same time as cyclists when lights turn green. The tricky aspects would be setting the speed at which the bollards rise when the lights change to red, mostly to reduce the chances of any cyclists crashing into them (although in an ideal world cyclists would be able to enter ASZs from unobstructed cycle lanes), and detecting when a vehicle has legally entered and stopped in the ASZ, and not raising the bollards underneath it as a result...
Posted 6 years ago # -
Not worth doing if there is no chance of the bollards damaging the car
Posted 6 years ago # -
detecting when a vehicle has legally entered and stopped in the ASZ
I think a technological solution would be too expensive, cheaper to change the law and prohibiting any entry to the box, crossing into it is treated as running the light as it would at a junction without an ASZ.
Posted 6 years ago # -
has a single driver in Edinburgh ever been done for illeagally entering an ASZ ?
I seem to recall as a child there was a TV advert about the yellow hatched box junctions and a large hand for the sky that came down and removed cars that stopped in them. A quick search on Youtube was fruitless, but I'm sure I didn't imagine it.
I think we'd be as well starting a new religion based around the "Hand from the Sky" and praying for its appearance in Edinburgh - its as likely as any real enforcement.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Budget technological option: cameras at junctions that can automatically issue fines and add points to the licenses of any offending parties.
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Posted 6 years ago #
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i for one welcome our new Hand-from-the-Sky overlords
Posted 6 years ago # -
Interesting to see the right turning drivers pass each other before turning in that video too.
Posted 6 years ago # -
The booming voice at the end! I want a recording of that bit to play very loudly at ASL infringing drivers.
Posted 6 years ago # -
"steady amber, then red. both mean stop of course"
those were the days. amber means put yr foot down now
Posted 6 years ago # -
@bax And red now means that you can still drive through the lights for a good 3 or 4 second afterwards, so long as you keep very close to the rear bumper of the car who went through on amber or red in front of you.
Posted 6 years ago #
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