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  1. Bhachgen
    Member

    Just watching your video of the Fiat 500 incident got my heartrate going Kenny. Really nasty that.

    The wagon less scary on video but then that's perhaps because you know from the fact a video has been posted that something bad is going to happen and the big truck waiting at the side road is an obvious candidate. So it's not a surprise when it does pull out. Not so easy to predict in a "real world" situation.

    As Algo said, good reactions on your part. Not sure I'd be able to expect the brakes on any of my bikes to stop me in time to avoid either of those at the moment. Big fettling day long overdue...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. fimm
    Member

    The truck looks scarier to me, but maybe just because it is the bigger vehicle?

    Mine is tame by comparison: one big G4S van trying to overtake me on a twisty bit of road - drove on the wrong side of the road for quite a distance, dropped back, got by with much hooting (and a not nice gesture from me) at the next attempt only to join the queue at the red light at the main road. Total delay to driver due to cyclist = 0 seconds.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. algo
    Member

    After some consideration, despite some rubbish decision making by me, I decided to put this in the rubbish driving thread since it scared me quite a lot… it's also in the rubbish cycling thread.

    I joined Forrest Road from Teviot Place, at the same time as two cyclists joining from MMW. I overtook one of the cyclists but that was daft as there was a red light up ahead to join George IVth bridge. That was a misjudgement on my part. I was intending to go right on Chambers Street but inadvisedly used the filter lane on the left - I can't remember why now. I would normally join the queue of traffic. As the lights changed I attempted to filter into the flow of traffic behind the first car, but the car behind accelerated to close the gap while gesticulating so I couldn't despite me indicating right and looking over my shoulder. I therefore let this car pass and went to filter in front of the white van behind that, but it also tried to close the gap. I had already started to move so the driver leaned on the horn without apparently slowing and came incredibly close to knocking me off as I turned right, shouting something unintelligeable as I went past. I don't know exactly how close he came but I was really shaken up.

    Both the second car and the van driver deliberately accelerated to block me when allowing me to filter out into the main stream of traffic (while indicating and shoulder checking) would have cost them no time at all. This was really aggressive, but at least I have learnt not to even consider that filter lane in future even if many others are using it.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. Charlethepar
    Member

    @algo

    I never indicate (or look too obviously) in this situation. It just encourages sociopaths in their cars to close the gap. I assertively ride into the gap, and they have to deal with it.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. Min
    Member

    There is something about turning right that puts some drivers into a murderous rage. No idea why.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. davidsonsdave
    Member

    I do the same stretch on a daily basis. Even if I wasn't turning onto Chambers Street I'd stay out in primary as I have seen too many close calls with motorists not letting bikes out, vans suddenly swerving onto the kerb to make a delivery or squeezing those in the bike lane in order to pass vehicles waiting to turn down Chambers Street.

    I did once have a chap shout at me that I should be should be in the bike lane when I was stationary, waiting to turn behind a car also turning right onto Chambers Street.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. algo
    Member

    @davidsondave - thanks yes I would normally - I'm not sure why I didn't then. Perhaps lack of concentration. It's only belligerent drivers that make getting out into primary difficult - what are you supposed to reply to someone who tells you to get in the bike lane when turning right? I can think of a couple of things….

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. CJC
    Member

    ...was courtesy of the driver of the white van LN61 RVY from "Daher Fruit & Veg", who overtook me too closely on South Clerk St.

    I wasn't in the bus lane because there were two buses stopped.

    I shouted "too close" and he brake checked me.

    When I said "you were far too close", he responded "if I was far too close to you, I would have touched you pal".

    The company website on the site of the van (daherfruitandveg.co.uk) isn't actually a registered domain name. Maybe I should buy the domain and post the video on it?

    Impatience and poor knowledge of the highway code!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. le_soigneur
    Member

    The wind-blown FRB hi-sided capsize driver is banned for a year.. he even pleaded not guilty.
    Drivers have killed people, played the "I need to drive to support my family card" and got less of a ban!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. custard
    Member

    @ CJC,Drop Ramez a line

    https://www.linkedin.com/pub/ramez-daher/62/854/b52

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. ARobComp
    Member

    On torphichen street one way system coming into town earlier on way up to morrison street.

    Bit people carrier private hire van came up the outside of me about an inch away and forced me to brake or hit a road sign as we came around the corner.
    He had so much room it was insane to be so close. Knocked on his window and calmly explained how insane it was. His first excuse was "Well it's a really big vehicle.." which I quickly shut down and he eventually admitted that he was wrong and apologised. Then he went back to his phone call on his hands free kit that I'd interrupted. SIGH.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. twq
    Member

    I had a William Hunter coach (HIL 6407) overtake me on Holyrood Rd this morning. He gave me plenty of space, but gestured that I should be on the cycle lane.
    I've written to the company to clamp down on this entitled, incorrect opinion, and pointed out that breaking the 20mph limit is illegal. Also asked if they have a permit that allows them to drive a commercial vehicle through the park.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Gogar Station Road at 09h00, I'm running a small quasar on my bars and wearing my new eyeball-popping lime green jacket. Murrayfield Builders' white van decides to pull out of Dalton (S)crap anyway, cutting up both me and the car coming the other way.

    Gets stopped by the lights at the railway bridge 100 metres further on. I haul up alongside to apologise for getting in his way. 'Aye, sorry mate. I apologise too.' Bad driving but civilised outcome.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. CJC
    Member

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    Poor attitude to other road users.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. dougal
    Member

    Lays on the horn while I'm overtaking a couple of laden cyclists on the hill up to Picardy Place. Stays on the horn and gesticulates wildly. Performs an aggressive overtake and stops almost immediately behind a queue of traffic that was there the whole time.

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    White vehicle, not sure what, registration SK64 AVV. You can hear me getting angry with him.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. algo
    Member

    Was the the other night riding east along Princes Street with Mrs algo, passing St Andrew's square and performing the requisite shimmies not to come a cropper. I got out into primary and slowed in front of Mrs algo and a red Peugeot 206 V105FSP. Said Peugeot then accelerated and squeezed past Mrs algo and caused her to swerve, getting her tyre caught in the rails, causing her to fall. Thankfully at such low speed that no physical harm was done, but she vows never to ride that bit again, and a big dent has been made in her confidence in general. The driver stopped shortly further along. He appears to be a bouncer at a club somewhere just by that junction (or possibly the "Royal British Hotel") and complained about my "weaving all over the road" through the junction. So he was stopping roughly 10m further on, but he still went to overtake on a single lane section. He became very aggressive and unpleasant despite me not swearing and simply trying to explain why it is a cyclist has to take a certain line across the tracks. He couldn't have cared less - I would avoid him at all costs.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. geordiefatbloke
    Member

    Big silver four by four coming on to St Johns Road from a side street, decided to just go despite there not being a gap in the traffic, causing a bus to swing suddenly in my direction and brake sharply, and gave me a scare into the bargain. Fair play to the bus driver, he had little choice in the matter and gave me enough room, acknowledging he'd probably given me a fright though.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. Kenny
    Member

    Yeah, I really have no worthwhile comment to make about this one.

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    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. amir
    Member

    Feeling pretty grumpy about driving in general at the moment but this incident took the biscuit.

    Making for the eastern end of the Innocent path, I turned left from Milton Road East into Brunstane Road South to be met by a car travelling on the wrong side of the road. Cue emergency braking - by me not the driver! It seemed that she wanted to pass the vehicle in front to get into the right hand lane going west on Milton Road. A highly dangerous manoeuvre. To cap it all, the following driver, even having seen the look of shock on my face and me being stranded out of position decided to follow.

    What is it about motor vehicles that turns reasonably nice even law abiding human beings into vicious, risk-taking, selfish and self-righteous criminals?

    #frustrated

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. Min
    Member

    Because they are nasty, weak little bullies who know they can get away with it when they are driving a death-mobile at someone but wouldn't dare to try that level of aggression face to face?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Lady drove up the wrong side of Colinton Road behind me on the approach to the Polwarth Terrace roundabout last night, apparently so flabbergasted by my speed and road position (about 18mph in primary position in lane two) that she was unable to complete her overtake despite having a three litre 4x4. I eyeballed her a bit and she gave up her continental driving.

    Met her again at Morningside Cross where she threw up her hands at me. I blew her a great big kiss, which had the desired effect.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. PS
    Member

    I blew her a great big kiss

    So often the best response to stressed/confused/mental drivers. Also worthy of consideration are the cheery wave and the (ironic) thumbs up.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. jdanielp
    Member

    Hmm, I may try to remember to blow a kiss, wave cheerily or give an (ironic) thumbs up next time I feel the need to raise a hand (or a specific finger) in exasperation.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. dougal
    Member

    Yield to the right, drive carefully in wet conditions, don't fly out from behind other vehicles - driver of SJ10 RHZ.

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    Posted 9 years ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Must be the Edinburgh Festival of Failed Overtaking this week. Three failed attempts on Gogar Station Road.

    First one at the north bridge over the burn. OK, gets past later.

    Second one at the railway bridge. Pulls out, drives on the right, revvy revvy, but I'm too quick up the hill (eh?) before the one-way section. Guy waits and hurls it down the wrong side behind me on the dip down to the south bridge over the river 100m later. But I'm in primary and going too fast for his automobile to get past before the road narrows!

    Beeeep! Beep! I pull over and invite the horn-blower to discuss matters in greater depth. They decline and drive off.

    I go on the path, which is at hand. The caravan is gone from the layby.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  26. HankChief
    Member

    IWRATS - you are doing it all wrong. We 'need' the bad driving on the bits between the bridges not on them.

    CEC have got cameras up on the straights to monitor traffic performance this week in preparation for resurfacing and possible cycle lanes. They are wanting to see how bad the interactions are.

    My close pass yesterday was also off camera (North of the North bridge) and by my boss! Made for an interesting 1-2-1 later on...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  27. Greenroofer
    Member

    @Hankchief - I was trying my best for you on GSR last night. I was overtaken on the blind bend just south of the northern bridge over the Gogar Burn, but I think this would have just missed the camera (which seems to be pointing east, down the long straight).

    I must confess that my pronounced 'What were you thinking of?' gesture and head shaking were a bit hammed up for the camera...

    I do have the interaction on Bike Cam, though.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  28. Dave
    Member

    After a guided tour revealed to me the location of the path beside the tram line (convenient for Screwfix on the way home from the office) I decided to go that way again yesterday.

    I thought it might be a candidate route to help me out with "no overtake week" since all I have to do is get from the path to the canal, and in that direction the road is all but deserted. Alas I was almost taken out by a white van on this tiny section of road, exchanging unpleasantries* with the driver.

    * it's amazing how roaring into someone's face that they're on camera can take the wind out of their sails. Especially since I haven't bothered with the headcam much since I switched back to the canal for winter ;-)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  29. jdanielp
    Member

    Firstly, the aggressive driver behind me as we crossed the King's Theatre junction who blared their horn at a cyclist who was trying to turn right from Gilmore Place - ok, so the cyclist was clearly in the wrong, but the driver could have just slowed rather than blared the horn quite so aggressively, and given that they then pulled up into Gillespie Street on the left it is not like it slowed down their journey very much.

    Next, what appeared to be a police officer driving a mini-bus pulled out from Upper Gilmore Place and turned right in front of me as I was approaching at speed, forcing me to slow a little, although as it happened I was slowing to turn right onto Lower Gilmore Place anyway, but they should have waited.

    Next, the long truck that was using the towpath just beyond the lifting bridge for the purposes of turning round, casuing an increasing number of cyclists and pedestrians to bunch up at either side as we waiting for it to manoeuvre. Ok, so there was at least a guy stood near the back of it acting as a spotter, but that didn't stock the truck abruptly lurching and knocking into the side of the metal post closest to the lifting bridge, possibly causing some damage. The truck finally moved away far enough to let people get through behind it, only for it to abruptly to start reversing back into the space. The 'spotter' said "Watch out, he's coming back again" to those of us who were trying to get through (surely he should have been the one to signal to the driver that it was safe to reverse rather than reacting to the driver), to which I retorted with something along the lines of that the driver really shouldn't be doing that manoeuvre at all.

    Finally, turning left at the top of Hermiston House Road after exiting the canal and failing to spot the kingfisher, the truck that had thundered past as I was approaching the turn was slowing down and pulling onto the pavement just ahead of me (I choose to ride on the pavement as far as the traffic island to cross to the Heriot-Watt Campus rather than join the traffic on the A71), coming to a stop just before the traffic island. As I was passing the small gap that remained of the pavement and then cautiously crossed at the traffic island despite the fact that I could barely see around the truck, the driver was in the process of getting out and then also appeared to be trying to cross the busy road. Maybe he was looking to ask someone for directions, but why he didn't pull up in the bus-stop layby another 20 metres down the road instead of on the pavement and almost blocking the crossing I don't know. I regret not taking his registration number...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    "IWRATS - you are doing it all wrong."

    There has never been any doubt about that.

    Posted 9 years ago #

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