CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Debate!

  1. Uberuce
    Member

    Yesterday at 6-ish, a wee bit up the road from my afternoon job, someone thought it'd be a good idea to overtake a bus stopped at a red light on a pedestrian crossing, one of the ones on a straight bit of road, thus meaning the only reason the light is red is because people are crossing. And...it's a red.

    Almost took out a child that's regularly in my care, and said child's mum. The bus driver hopped out the cab to check they were okay(they were, although physical contact was made between twuntmobile and parent) and is going to supply the cops with the bus's exterior CCTV in the hope the driver gets nailed.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. fimm
    Member

    @Uberuce nasty.

    Driving home yesterday evening. Boyfriend (the driver) comes towards a light going orange -> red. Boyfriend stops car. We are stationary at a red light. A car comes past us on our right at high speed and goes through the red light to turn right. Dropped jaws all round.

    Boyfriend then points out that actually people don't pull that sort of manoeuver at random, and that therefore the red-light-running driver must know the sequence of those lights well in order to believe he can pull it off before the lights in the other direction change. Which he did: but still... (Boyfriend wasn't justifing the red light running, just pointing out that he thought it wasn't a thoughtless manouever.)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. LivM
    Member

    Oh, the old "I'm a good driver*, I know this road really well so it's OK to break the laws" excuse :D

    * or cyclist...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. Roibeard
    Member

    @fimm - probably demonstrates too that it is habitual and deliberate, rather than simply opportunistic.

    In other words, they do it all the time at that spot, without repercussions or consequence. Until they don't, at which point it becomes an unavoidable accident because the pedestrian stepped out into the carriageway.

    We live in a very mixed up world.

    Robert

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. condor2378
    Member

    Idiot in a car swerved towards me when going along Great King Street last Thursday. A very close miss which was dangerous and pointless.

    [+] Embed the video | Video DownloadGet the Video Widget

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    It happens so often that normally I wouldn't think to mention it. As the bus lane ends on Craigmillar Park cars in lane two that want to turn left into Lady Road have to get into lane one. The highway code suggests that observation, signals and waiting for the other lane to be clear are appropriate;

    133

    If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.

    Naturally this rule is stupid, redundant and unhelpful to hard pressed motorists. One of them ignored it and drove his Fiat motorcar sideways into me before stopping. I indicated that I was unhappy and he indicated that he was trying to drive his car.

    The twist is that his vehicle was embalzoned with his employer's logo - that of Historic Scotland. I'm tempted to ask them if their employee's conduct was in compliance with all staff procedures.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    "Historic Scotland. I'm tempted to ask"

    Please do.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. rust
    Member

    Even if only for the puns about him almost making you history!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Hello,

    One of your employees drove his Historic Scotland logoed vehicle into me last night on Craigmillar Park in Edinburgh. I think it was a small Fiat saloon, but I didn't get the registration. The driver was a male in his late thirties or early forties with short hair and groomed stubble wearing a pin-striped suit.

    The vehicle was in lane two of Craigmillar Park heading south around 19h00 and, at the end of the Green Lane moved into lane one in order to turn left into Lady Road in a way not consistent with Rule 133 of the Highway Code;

    If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.

    https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143

    In fact the car was driven sideways into me without any signal being given. I was on a bicycle in primary position in lane one, wearing a fluorescent green jacket and emitting a total of 525 lumens from front and rear lamps. I was therefore not hard to see, but still had to take evasive action to avoid injury. Your driver either failed to see me or did not consider me of sufficient importance to warrant giving way to me. I indicated to the driver by means of gesture that his manoueuvre had been dangerous (he was stopped in traffic) and he indicated in return that he was contemptuous of the safety of a vulnerable road user.

    Two questions arise;

    1) Is this consistent with the standards of roadcraft required of the drivers of Historic Scotland vehicles?
    2) Do you have a member of staff answering this description who was liable to be in this place at this time and if so, would you care to speak to him on behalf of Scotland's vulnerable road users?

    I do look forward to hearing from you,

    IWRATS

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. SRD
    Moderator

    Viridor truck SM60 FLC turned right out of Merchiston Ave onto Granville terrace even though I had priority. Forced me to a stop and then waved as if to say thanks for stopping when i remonstrated.

    what a start to the day

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. neddie
    Member

    Again so common...

    The driver of a Silver Ford Focus 04 plate was driving it with enough speed down Warrender Pk Rd to 'bounce' herself over the speed bumps (i.e well in excess of the 20 limit), while talking into a mobile phone held like a microphone and passing the primary school. All while school children were about.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. SRD
    Moderator

    I tweeted @viridoruk and have got back an apology and commitment to investigate. pleased with that.

    SRDorman: Not happy with bullying behaviour of @viridoruk SM60 FLC this morning - pulled out of Merch Ave even though I had priority on Granville Terr

    ViridorUK: @SRDorman I'm sorry to hear this. Thank you for capturing reg number. We will investigate. Hannah (comms mgr)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Moderator

    SRDorman: @viridoruk thank you for the reply and commitment to investigate. only stopped and noted down # b/c it was so upsetting.

    ViridorUK: @SRDorman No need to thank us. We are working with all of our employees to make sure that #healthandsafety is our top priority

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. BaseCut
    Member

    I encounter more problems with bad driving on Merchiston Ave and its various junctions than any other road on my commute. On Mon, had a Biffa bin lorry pull out in front of me from Merchiston Ave to head west on Merchiston Cres as I was heading east on Merchiston Cres. I had to break to a standstill and as I shook my head he rolls down his window to say that vehicles have to stop to allow vehicles to turn?! Not when those vehicles (including bikes!!) have right of way and he should have seen me.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. Greenroofer
    Member

    Dear Black Jaguar on Gogar Station Road. There was no need to hoot at me. The reason I was in the middle of my lane was to pass the big pothole on my left. I was in the middle of my lane before you even appeared round the corner behind me. There was nothing coming the other way. To overtake me, you only needed to do what I assume you were going to do anyway (See Highway Code rule 162): cross the white line onto the other side of the road. I did not delay your journey at all.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. Snowy
    Member

    @SRD Ah, so Viridor pay attention to twitter! Useful to know. I sent them a written complaint a while back, no joy.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. Uberuce
    Member

    Two headscratching moments which were almost safe because they flagged the driver as a such a numpty that they were unmistakeable.

    Numpty#1 this morning who semi-passed me at the foot of Hutchision Crossway so they could make a personal anti-ASZ so they could turn left onto Gorgie Road. There isn't an actual ASZ there but there is a stop line and had been a red light for some dozens of seconds, which I was waiting at and plainly not signalling left or right.

    Numpty#2 this lunchtime who undertook me as I rode in primary in the right/straight lane up to a roundabout, which I've seen a few times from people who simply cannot abide the thought of having to wait behind a cyclist, but this one, having heroically got back into my lane...turned left.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    At the traffic light controlled junction my and many other children use every school day.

    Just after the Tesco roundabout in Musselburgh I take primary on the approach to the red light at the bottom of Eskbank. The driver close behind me undertakes as soon as I enter the right filter then accelerates through the red lights into the path of a car coming out of the side road.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. fimm
    Member

    Coming down the Lanark Road in the dark and rain yesterday evening I got all shouty with a driver who sped towards me from behind. I thought they might have been unaware that there are bollards in the middle of the road there. I ended up having to swerve out the way. Driver then headed up a road on the right so was local and had no excuse.

    It was probably just as well, as if I'd caught up with them at the lights at the bottom of the hill (and I would have, there was enough of a queue) I'd probably have slapped the car and verbally abused the driver, which would have done no one any good.

    The real issue with losing my place in the lane that is not necesarily the car that forced you out of the way, but the cars behind who don't know that you are there. That's twice in two rides I've had issues on that stretch of road (which is the area where Andrew McNicoll was killed, which is another reason I'm extra wary on that section).

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. newtoit
    Member

    To the driver of the black Volvo saloon on Grange Road...

    Well done for crossing over to the other side of the road to overtake me. Shame this was whilst I was indicating right (had been for a good 30m), was at the right hand side of the lane and was preparing to turn into Lauder Rd.

    Would you overtake a car that was indicating right? No? So why do it to me? Plenty of room to pass on the left as you would to a car that was turning...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    This autumn seems to have brought Edinburgh's roadcraft to a new low level.

    I had words with the driver of a van logoed as Pentland Refrigeration, who thought the green lane was for him to nip through the traffic at forty miles an hour regardless of who else might be there.

    Then I had an episode of advanced mummery to communicate the existence of this ASZ;

    https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Liberton+Road,+Edinburgh&aq=0&oq=liberton+road&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=4.578915,19.313965&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Liberton+Rd&ll=55.924898,-3.209252&spn=0.000024,0.019205&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=55.924903,-3.209429&panoid=CZTafRiFxmBfwepr3RRYFg&cbp=12,167.6,,0,13.02

    to the man who'd just parked his car on top of it. I don't know if it's more worrying that he hadn't seen it or that he had seen it and decided to park his car on top of it.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. condor2378
    Member

    @IWRATS

    The irony of that Streetview showing the 4x4 stopped in the ASZ......

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @condor2378

    Thought that might please the hive mind!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. LaidBack
    Member

    @cyclingmollie
    The driver close behind me undertakes as soon as I enter the right filter then accelerates through the red lights into the path of a car coming out of the side road.

    Textbook muppetry! Hard to beat.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  25. dougal
    Member

    Posted 9 years ago #
  26. SRD
    Moderator

    If you see a dirty white sport land rover reg no Y8 ABM watch out!

    Was stopped with lights on on Gilmore place heading west, with rear left tyre on the yellow line and rest of car vertically across the lane (i.e. diamond shaped). Then as i approached from rear, it drove off, but so far to the right hand side of the road that it had to veer left to avoid oncoming car. then drove into ASL on red. having seen all this, i decided to point out the stop line to him, and he obligingly opened his door and checked it out. I said 'you're supposed to stop before the stop line'. He thanked me and then closed his door and reversed back out of the ASL. Only problem is that there was a blue compact-type car behind him (albeit not in the ASL)!

    Luckily driver of blue car was alert enough, and had enough space/warning to reverse out of danger. blue car was slightly to the right of him and doubtless he couldn't see it when he looked through open door, and he obi didn't think of checking his mirror or shoulder checking!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  27. Darkerside
    Member

    Just to prove it's not just in Edinburgh at the moment: trundling through one of Glasgow's unpleasantly sweeping T-junctions last night when a small hatchback pulled straight out. They got a parade-ground-clarity "stop!", with both lungs working well. Probably from about 3m away.

    A car in the opposite lane stopped with the shout. But not our hatchback hero.

    They accelerated. Emergency stopped. Indicated left, then right. Then hazards. Then kangeroo-hopped down the road a bit. Stopped again, more hazards. Moved away at half speed, before coming to a stop a good 20m behind the traffic waiting at the next traffic lights.

    Just...bizarre. I can only assume they had a complete brainfart.

    I wish I had a camera, partly for the shout, partly for my own braking reactions, but almost solely for the subsequent driving.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  28. algo
    Member

    @Darkerside - someone with a knackered clutch maybe? Would explain not wanting to stop, potentially having to brake very hard if it wouldn't come out of gear, and the kangaroo hopping bit to get started again using the starter motor…. not making excuses, just wondering what on earth was going on...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  29. geordiefatbloke
    Member

    No idea what happened but the aftermath of some incident this morning was a car completely mounted onto the traffic island in the middle of Shandon Place. Not apparent if anyone was hurt but the car wasn't looking too clever. Anyone spot this?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  30. Darkerside
    Member

    @algo: I wondered, but I heard no poorly-clutch noises, and the fact the driver didn't look at all and then stared dead ahead when I eventually passed them makes me think they completely lost it at the shout.

    I almost felt guilty.

    Posted 9 years ago #

RSS feed for this topic

Reply »

You must log in to post.


Video embedded using Easy Video Embed plugin