@algo, to me it would be obvious that you are turning right at some point as you are already in the right hand lane, no justification needed, so if I was you I would just maintain position and then indicate after Melville terrace to avoid confusion
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(11330 posts)- Started 13 years ago by Stepdoh
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@geordiefatbloke - thanks for the advice - I will revert to that style. In the past I have had trouble doing that because it is not obvious to some angry tailgating drivers what you are doing, and my indication was to try and explain the obvious.
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@algo - to be honest, as you've already seen, angry tailgating drivers are already immune to both "the obvious" and your best efforts to keep them informed of what you're doing, so I'd leave them to froth :)
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If you indicated as you crossed the MD junction, I'd agree with the driver that was too early (i'd expect you to turn into MD) however that is no excuse for him trying to nudge you out the way!
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thanks I'll try and take this advice next time - I am talking about the difference between Melville Terrace and Sciennes - I indicated well after the Melville Drive junction of course.
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It's a tough call and a BAD double junction.
QBiC of course.
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Sorry I misunderstood.
If you were past MD then I'd agreed with Chdot, its a poor layout. As you want to be two hands on the handlebar to make your manoeuvre, then an early signal is probably required.
Road conditions affect your judgement of that too.
As an example, I often enter George Street from Charlotte Square having left Princess St
I like getting stopped at the S Ch St/C Sq junction because it gives me time to signal. If the lights are green, I can only really give a brief signal between passing rose st, and getting to that junction. From the junction on, I have to ride two handed as the road is so poor - so its an early signal or no signal.
Neither is right or wrong, its just a judgement call at the time and riding to conditions.
If you are not comfortable with doing a later signal safely, keep signaling early - or don't signal. Primary position on that bit of road outside summerhall should give most drivers a good idea of your intention to turn right at one of those junctions!
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"Primary position on that bit of road outside summerhall should give most drivers a good idea of your intention to turn right at one of those junctions!"
That's not good enough!
They need to know NOW!!
Anyway, it doesn't matter where you are going - you're in the way...
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"it doesn't matter where you are going - you're in the way ..." <- this. exactly.
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Heart in mouth stuff just now....
I'm in the front seat of a 31 as it came through Haymarket. A cyclist was also coming from West Maitland St (although they shouldn't have been). The bus was right up behind the cyclist, and as she approached the tram track I was genuinely worried about her being hit.
Think I'm going to email Lothian Buses later.
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Strike while the iron is hot:
"I would be grateful if you could review the camera footage of the above service, as I believe the driving standards fell short of those expected by Lothian Buses.
I was sitting in the front seat on the top deck of bus number 779, service 31 as it travelled along West Maitland Street and through Haymarket.
As the bus approached the west end of West Maitland Street, there was a cyclist ahead, also heading west. While the cyclist should not have been on this street (although this may have been an error on their part), this does not excuse what I consider to have been poor driving by your driver.
From my perspective on the front seat of the top deck, the driver did not give the cyclist sufficient room and approached very close to her from behind. He continued to drive close behind her through the junction, before passing just before Haymarket Station.
As I'm sure you are aware, Haymarket is a particularly difficult junction for cyclists due to the very awkward angle required to cross the tram tracks safely. There have been many recorded incidents of cyclists falling on the tracks. Having a vehicle drive so closely behind when attempting to negotiate the tracks makes a fall even more dangerous. If this had happened to the cyclist today then your bus could easily have struck her.
I would be grateful if you could review the footage to assess the incident.
The driving standards of Lothian Buses are generally high, and I know that you take safety of cyclists very seriously, including specific training on driving near cyclist.
It would be a shame if incidents like this were to become more frequent. "
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Presume you put a time on the actual email.
Last time I had to complain about an LB driver, the response was 'we'll look and take whatever action is necessary'.
Unless this was a one-off, this shows a bad change in the way complaints are dealt with as previously it had been 'we have looked at the footage and agree that the driver did not act as we would expect' etc.
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Yes, I used the online form which asks for time/location/service number/bus number.
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Dumfries and Galloway edition:
Cycling home along a singletrack road, on quite a twisty narrow section, was startled to suddenly see a car bonnet beside me (could have reached out and touched it) as it pulled past. The headwind was such that I had no idea there was anything coming up behind me at all. Driver was very fortunate that there were no potholes for me to avoid just there, and I didn't simply get blown into their path, as it was extremely gusty. Really very frightening as I was completely oblivious until it appeared so I could easily have deviated from my line and right into them. I guess they had no idea that I had no idea they were there - it's not obvious from within your nice warm box just how deaf a fierce wind can make a cyclist...
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Goes to the VW Tiguan driver who tried to overtake me as I was waiting on Whitehouse Loan to turn right onto the cycle lane down Leamington Walk. I had indicated, taken up good position to stop cars passing me and was waiting for oncoming traffic to pass. Car behind decided to try and pass me as soon as she saw a gap and as I was starting to turn right. Fortunately speeds were very low and no contact was had as she stopped before hitting me. I asked why she had tried such a move and no apology was forthcoming. It was my fault for being in the middle of the road etc, etc. Turned the air somewhat blue in response with some choice words so apologies to anyone who heard that this morning!
First time that has happened to me at that junction, even the taxis and white van men stop and wait for me to turn right there. Whitehouse Loan is enough of a ploughed field without having to worry about aggressive, thoughtless 4x4 drivers.
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SP07 BFW, (Murray and something)'s van, whose driver is an impatient moron who tried to overtake on 1: the right turn into Princes St from Charlotte, 2: the right turn into Rutland Place, 3: Rutland Place and 4: Canning St.
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I reported a bus a few weeks ago as I could see that the driver was repeatedly glancing down as he approached me in a similar way when someone is texting, whilst driving along at a fair whack for a residential area. As he went past, I could see that one hand was off the wheel playing with something. LB phoned me to say that they had reviewed the footage and that it wasn't a mobile phone, but that the driver was using whatever bus computer/thingy they have on board. Somehow that makes it ok.
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I've become quite zen about Edinburgh driving over the years but one thing still has me puckering in the saddle. West Mayfield, lights turn from green to amber as I approach and I begin to brake, only to hear the unmistakable noise of a hot hatch being gunned to 'catch the lights'. I cease braking and go as far forward as I can, the car ducking to my left and going straight through on red. I think he'd seen me. I think.
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A Turner pickup truck on the NEPN there for some maintenance reason or another, barrelling along at an undisturbed pace, scattering pedestrians and cyclists into the mud without even slowing or acknowledging their presence. Not sure what they were there for but since they took up 100% of the width of the path it would seem polite not to move like that.
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CEC seems to use Turner quite a lot.
If you are on Twitter ask @north_team (saying where and when).
Posted 9 years ago # -
SN14JWE Blue Golf. Home St.
Driver was visibly shaking, very large shaking movements. Could be Parkinsons* (?)
Did not appear to be in a good state to drive. Car also jerking around a lot.
* Or more accurately the side effects of Parkinsons medication.
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Overtaken by an Audi estate (just to confirm the prejudice) just south of the railway bridge on Gogar Station Road. As the car passed me on the blind bend I said out loud "I hope you can see round that corner". The driver then immediately stopped the car so they could turn right at the junction.
A classic attack of MGIF syndrome.
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Cycling up Cultins Road this evening, gritter lorry on Bankhead Terrace had plenty time to see me but kept going through the give-way line into the path of where I would have been if I hadn't made a sharp move to the right. Fortunately driver did stop just in time to avoid hitting me.
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@goyow That's the manoeuvre that always terrifies me. So many drivers accelerate to the Give Way line then slam on the brakes at the last second. It's so easy to believe they're just going to fly straight out instead.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Junction(s) mentioned here -
http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3748&page=114#post-184669
Posted 9 years ago # -
Single track road on South Loch Tummel.. Gorgeous scenery, whilst out cycling with shuggiet junior.. White car comes haring down straight part of road, doesn't slow. Junior adeptly avoids to left.. I swerve to left, hit mud, which was tram track like, and then hit the very stony tarmac. Lots of swearing by me as white car box goes speeding into the distance as I gesticulate in vain to its selfish drivers' mirror..Sore ribs, road rash and bumpy head.. Grumpy!
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@shuggiet Not good - I had something similar on holiday last week when I had the kids aboard.
Dark beamer showing no sign of slowing so I stay in a central position on single track road.
He keeps coming at me and I hold my position (taking the tandem off road isn't the most stable).
Still no signs that he is going to slow but he does at least go onto the verge as I put up my hand to try to get him to slow down.
I swerve towards the left to give us more space and the pass isn't that close but is fast. His wheel is about 18 inches onto the verge and he nearly loses it as he turns back onto the road.
Not an experience I want to repeat.
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Idiot in shitty little four by four trying to intimidate me (in my car) into overtaking a group of four cyclists between the Comiston Road by the Braids Hotel and Tollcross. Wasting his angst, as I was not going to be pushed into an overtake that could not be safe.
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Taxi driver (X778 AHY, #53) did a close pass to get to the next set of lights. I tapped on his window and asked him what lane he was trying to be in. He did not in fact know what lane he was in full stop. He seemed confused by the idea of "a different one from me".
Do taxi drivers have regular driving proficiency tests as part of their licensing?
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