Nope
That's a (fairly) clearly marked 'left only' lane.
Please report to Cab Office.
That whole section is awful and WILL get WORSE if all-day bus lane removed.
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Today's rubbish driving...
(11330 posts)- Started 13 years ago by Stepdoh
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I have reported it.
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So is using a left turn lane to filter to the front and sit in the straight-on ASL wrong? Because I do this, oops.
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Interestingly the only legal access point (the dashed line) to the ASL at that junction is from the left turn lane - fimm I just have no idea...
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"So is using a left turn lane to filter to the front and sit in the straight-on ASL wrong? Because I do this, oops."
Depends. If there is an access point to get into the ASL, and you use that, and then move into the correct lane, you haven't crossed nay stop line.
If there's not an access point (or an easily useable access point, as dougal points out) then technically you're crossing a stop line in the lane you've begun in.
It's one of those laws that makes sense for cars, but applied to bikes can give anomalies (much like when an ASL is put in without an access bit so technically any cyclist going in when a light is red is running a red light).
In a brief look I can't actually find anything in the Highway Code about complying with arrows on the road, but there must be. One thing that is clear is that undertaking can only be done if the vehicle ahead is indicating right, or traffic is at a standstill....
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@fimm I think your question about filtering is one where pragmatism takes priority over a strict interpretation of which lane you're in. If the traffic is stopped at the lights and you are confident you can get to the ASL while the traffic is stationary, I consider it perfectly acceptable to filter in the left only lane and then position yourself to go straight on in the ASL. If the traffic starts to move when you are filtering, you just have to be careful and wait for a gap to get into a straight on position. My approach at this particular junction when heading into Calton Road, which I cycle regularly, is actually to stay in the left only lane but in a fairly primary position, and look out for left hooks. This position has the advantage that you are discouraging left hooks, and indicating (by position) that you most likely want to go straight, and avoiding the nasty lane changing necessary if you stick to the lane indications.
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@WC "One thing that is clear is that undertaking can only be done if ... traffic is at a standstill...."
Come now I wasn't that slow... ;-)
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@WC "One thing that is clear is that undertaking can only be done if the vehicle ahead is indicating right, or traffic is at a standstill"
<As a general statement, in lanes, that statement is contradicted by>
HWC #163: •stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left
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I was paraphrasing ;)
The suggestion of the queues is very slow moving heavy traffic, but yes, you're right, I was wrong.
(will teach me to actually go and read rather than relying on memory)
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This has happened a few times now.
End of Roseburn street turning right at the lights to join West Coates, I sit in the right hand lane (or where that shouold be if it was painted properly) and take the primary position as people can go around to the right of me once we start going but I want to take a good line to hit the edge of the cycle lane ( painted) as there is quite a bit of space there but I like to hit the lane away from where cars turn. I am very clearly ONLY POSSIBLY GOING RIGHT.
Several times recently a car sitting in the left lane (to go left presumably I'd have thought) has pulled out and gone right on the inside of me and tried to overtake as I've crossed. Very very odd. I imagine that it's something to do with them being massive idiots... but maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Weird that I've been doing this route a 3-4 times a week for a year and only in the last month or so has it been an issue.
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"...and only in the last month or so has it been an issue."[i][quote]
Refugees from Russell Road's bridgeworks, who perhaps aren't used to the road layout and are being a bit extra-stupid due to their increased impatience from being unable to use their preferred route, or who maybe don't decide which way they're turning until the last minute?
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I was thinking about this, and think you're probably right.
As to changing your mind as to where you're going I imagine it might be people trying to find the best rat run cut through to the A90...Posted 9 years ago # -
ARobComp:
The same thing happened to me a few weeks ago (can't remember if I posted it here or not). I've seen it happen to a few people when I've been approaching the junction as well.
Yesterday's quality driving at that junction was a 4x4 driver who decided to do an unsignalled U-turn in front of me.....
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@ARobComp
"Very very odd. I imagine that it's something to do with them being massive idiots... but maybe I'm doing something wrong?"
Sounds to me that you're doing 100% the right thing.
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Must get in front from First Bus. Reported to them a few days back, but all quiet on the response at the moment...
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Tonight @greenroofer & I took a gentle trip along GSR to see progress.
Thanks to @greenroofer's efforts cycles had dispensation to still use the road despite it being closed (although we have to dismount and push past where they are working).
GSR: Yep still closed by HankChief, on FlickrSo it was quite a surprise when we were confronted by wave after wave of Otherwise Law Abiding drivers thinking the signs didn't apply to them.
GSR: Still closed? by HankChief, on FlickrNow some of them *may* have been accessing the properties on the closed section but not all of them.
It amused me to film them approaching the road closed sign. The first few got cold feet and turned around but eventually one was bold enough to go through and then they all did, including the one that had initially turned around.
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@Hankchief you forgot to mention the chap who came round the blind corner to overtake us near RBS (having driven past the 'Road Closed' sign at that end) with a mobile phone in his hand.
It was fine this morning, but it's as if some message has got out somewhere that the road is open when the 'Road Closed' signs at each end and in the middle say otherwise.
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I think it was because the ROAD CLOSED sign nearest the RBS entrance had been removed so they had already driven down to the RBS service yard before they got to the remaining sign (pictured above) and you can't expect them to do a uturn can you...
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@Darkerside why didn't you back out of that? I accept it was poor driving, but I think I'd have just gone in behind the bus?
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White Edinburgh Taxi - No 145, this morning.
Encroached the box at the ASL on Waterloo Place so he was *right* behind me, then on green attempted an overtake on our straight on to Princes Street.
I made eye contact and shouted at him to back off as he was alongside, which only made him attempt to sideswipe me. Luckily, nothing was to my left where I had to swerve to.
I have sent an email off to Anne Chandler at the council's cab office
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@fimm: Queued traffic behind the bus, most of which turns left at these lights. I knew there was plenty of time on the red light, so this seemed to be the best way to get back into primary.
Plus I was being slightly stubborn, and had plenty of bail out space if it went wrong!
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I would still be irritated by the driver who pulled out in front of me on Lower Gilmore Place without looking before turning left onto Gilmore Place itself without indicating, but then, as I was approaching the top of MMW and about to cross the road on the green man/bicycle, a car shot right through the red light towards Lauriston Place at speed... I can only assume that the movement of the cars around the corner into Forrest Road helped make the driver think that the light that they were approaching was on green as well.
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The four cars I saw at different stages today on my commute who ran red lights. Not, oh, its yellow but I will sneak through types, but actual , oh its yellow, now its red, but I think I'll just go through anyway. Given the route I take minimises traffic lights this was a particularly high hit rate. The strange yellow orb in the sky must have confused them.
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A motorist on Peffermill Road who tried to get to Duddingston Road West by simply driving over the cyclist who was going straight on at the junction there. Luckily he managed to brake in time but it looked pretty scary. White van man looked as if he was going to follow as well but then stopped.
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Walking at west end of George St. A car going west turned into a parking bay, drove over the rubber stop things, turned east into the cycle lane and drove up to Castle St. He put his hazards on, so that's all right then!
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Hazard lights are amazing aren't they? I am thinking about getting some installed on my bike so I can do anything I want.
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EM Horseburgh bus in Livingston got far too close to me as I was waiting to turn right and then barged through on my left. I slapped the bus - first time I've ever actually slapped a vehicle. Driver must have been running late as he didn't stop, probably just as well.
Also the driver who overtook me on my left as we both turned right, who had a sicker with something about "Drive Safely" in the back window...
Oh, and the van driver that overtook me and forced the car coming the other way to stop...
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Now that they've moved the taxi rank back along haymarket terrace it's opened up a new world of terrible driving and parking.
Come along at rush hour (into town) to experience the wonder of multiple interpretations of yellow lines, traffic lights, and indeed the very nature of road craft being challenged.
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ARobComp:
Yep, that is definitely not a change for the better. Taxis in the rank are just pulling out and performing u-turns, whilst cars are switching lanes without looking to avoid the rank.
Although the highlight I saw yesterday was a westbound car pulling over to the other side of the road without signalling to park behind the end of the taxi rank, so facing the wrong way and parked in the greenway. This took the approaching cyclist by surprise. Unfortunately I don't think I got it on camera.
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