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stickyI've got a little downward push motion that is supposed to be me telling them to use their brake. Get lots of confused looks
ditto, i use that same gesture and i've been struggling to find a better one, as the palm down motion gesture is ambiguous, and for a moto could also mean put yer foot down and speed up
so instead of it being a "little downward push" i now over-exaggerate it into a long downward push, together with a grimace of displeasure
it doesn't go down well... but then what would..
That's the difficulty, don't want it to look like 'put your foot down son' in the wrong way. I kind of pump it a couple of times, and also try to make it look like a Scouse 'calm down'. All very technical for a simple hand gesture.
"it doesn't go down well... but then what would.."
Exactly.
Two fingers and a round hole to indicate 20; any similarity to two rude hand gestures would be purely accidental...
I had a DPD van cross in front of me last night - a very unexpected move. Gif of dodgy manoeuvre
I'm usually ok with dodgy driving, but this left me shaking.
So last night, around 6:45 (ie dark), I'm just about to exit the London Road/Elm Row roundabout heading up towards the Playhouse when a white Suzuki Swift nearly came on to the roundabout on top of me (in hi-vis, big lights front and back), not just ahead of me or behind me, but straight through me. She might have seen me better if she had switched her lights on before setting off, a point I made to her when stopped at a red light opposite John Lewis. She didn't think she had done anything wrong and started hooting and swearing despite the presence of a young child in the front passenger seat. He looked non-plussed so this is clearly normal behaviour.
This is the type of moron who shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel!
Intimidating a learner on her driving test.
(the learner still passed, good on her!)
yikes @twq - I can see why that one left you shaking. It looks like the van driver was waved out by the car going the other way, and just went without looking. Very dangerous
@sallyhinch - that's what I figured. It was an uncanny moment - is he really doing that?
Saying that, I think being a delivery driver must be one of the more stressful jobs going. Maybe they should switch to cargo bikes...
@Wilmington's Cow - I've seen a few of their drivers around. Really poor standard of driving.
@twq that van driver would have been pulling out completely blind. Vans are a nightmare for that kind of thing. And obviously a very good reason for not parking against the traffic like he did.
This morning, a MGIF that lead to a game of chicken with a bus. The video doesn't show it, but the bus was VERY visible for quite a way, but clearly this driver was incapable of seeing further than the cyclist in front. I put myself in the door zone as I could hear and see them racing up (oh, and 20 zone, no chance they were within the limit).
Don't think I ever shared this particular gem from late August...
@twq - Eeek! When I watched that first time I thought he was going to pull right across you and head off down the side road to your left....
Hmmm, read the comments on the CEF Van article, and depressingly expectedly there are some on there who seem to assume that because he didn't get out the van and drag her from the car that he wasn't 'bullying'. These people just have no concept of what amounts to intimidating behaviour do they?
I would actually agree that losing his job for it would be an over-reaction, if it's an isolated incident. As would losing his licence, again unless it's an isolated incident. But I genuinely feel that his to-ing and fro-ing to her bumper (someone claimed he was always 20 feet behind), beeping the horn, shouting and waving his arms, especially at someone who is in a driving school car, should be getting three points. And if he already has 9, then fine, those were supposed to serve as a warning.
If that kind of thing was dealt with properly then we might see less aggression on the roads. As it is we're just urinating in the breeze.
I had a brief similar discussion on twitter last night who, on seeing my video above, suggested I should report it to Police Scotland (copying in their twitter feed). I declared (rightly) that they wouldn't be interested, as road safety just isn't a main priority, evidenced by the declared lack of policing of 20 zones, and showed my video from a couple of year back where I was almost hit head on by a speeding overtaking driver, got interviewed, then heard nothing more.
We just don't care about people being idiots on the road in this country (and in fact we're more likely to turn it into 'entertainment' on Channel 5).
"...if it's an isolated incident"
I suspect that this is his usual driving attitude. If he acts like this towards such a minor perceived delay (although the learner did nothing wrong) then he'll be doing this on a daily basis.
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A MOTORCYCLIST raced past drivers at a pedestrian crossing “like a bullet” before smashing headlong into a car pulling out of a junction, a court heard.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/motorcylist-fined-after-horror-road-crash-1-3918538
failing to observe a car pulling out of a junction, colliding with it and injuring himself.
Whilst I think it is right he is prosecuted, I wonder if the car driver didn't give way
Comment fromt the sheriff about his previous convictions and poor driving record so why no lifetime ban? Sympathy because he was the one injured? What happens when he injured someone else (as he is very likely to once his 18 month ban is over)?
"Whilst I think it is right he is prosecuted, I wonder if the car driver didn't give way"
Of course if the car was turning 'towards' the motorbike by turning left out of a junction then technically the car doesn't have to cede priority, and presumably the motorcyclist was on the wrong side of the road. However when pulling out of a junction to the left it does pay not to just look to your right to make sure there's no traffic in your lane, so there's an argument for at least a small amount of culpability there.
Depends on the circumstances of course. Was the motorcyclist clearly visible as out on the wrong side of the road at that time, or was he swinging in and out of the traffic and swung out just at the moment the car pulled out.
As with most of these things context is everything, and we have none really beyond a report in the EEN, not exactly renowned for accuracy...
@Stickman, yeah, I suspect a lighter sentence because he only managed to hurt himself. Wrong though that is.
The report says he collided with the rear offside of the car, which I took to mean the car and bike were going the same direction. The excessive speed and passing of other vehicles may mean the driver couldn't have been expected to see him before pulling out, in the police & fiscal's view at least.
There are precedents, unfortunately - for instance, this case http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-23970861
"The report says he collided with the rear offside of the car, which I took to mean the car and bike were going the same direction"
Ah, didn't see that. Yes, that would make sense.
I've just received this response (the standard one) from my complaint about taxi SK11 ZXF:
I refer to the above complaint and your recent correspondence with this office.
The taxi driver has been traced and interviewed, he was advised of the nature and details of the complaint.
The driver was advised that he must take extra care around cyclist and that road safety was of paramount importance at all times.
He was warned about future behaviour with regards to this incident and has been advised that the circumstances of this incident have been attached to his driver record and may be referred to should he come to our attention in the future.
With regards to the previous incident to which you refer, I am unable to establish from the details that you have supplied, if a complaint was made to the council at the time and if so what enquiry was made. It does not follow that the driver would have been the same at that time. Most Taxis operate with more than one driver.
I hope this addresses the matter and thank you for bringing the circumstances to our attention.
The old sharp-lane-change-without-warning this morning. The driver got an earful but I noticed the back of her car had a sticker "Powered by Fairies". Perhaps the p*nct*re fairy is taking a more pro-active attempt to frustrate cyclists now?
Spotted a chap this morning driving his red Peugeot 306 with his left hand. His right hand was occupied holding a cup of coffee.
Fast and extremely close pass by a BMW last night on the way back into town from South Queensferry. Solicited angry beeps from other car drivers and a few sympathetic looks directed towards me, which was nice. So, rubbish driving and good driving in the same incident.
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@roadcc: Motorist who killed cyclist had been warned not to drive the day before crash #cycling https://t.co/dPMmhLt4ST https://t.co/F3TLHphzAV
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"Urwin told the police he saw Charlton two to three car lengths ahead of him and demonstrated that he gave the cyclist 54cm of space as he went past him in the car."
Actually he demonstrated that he gave the cyclist zero space. The cyclist was hit - you don't get hit by something that passes half a metre away.
Tailgated East to West along Princes St this morning by one of those little council minibuses that ferry folk to homes, special schools etc.
At the last set of PS lights he squeezed alongside me (yes, I was at an ASL) to make some kind of point.He was less than an inch from my shoulder!
I tapped on the glazed door to ask what he was doing. He shouted (yes, shouted) F*** Off! I asked if he kissed his mother with that mouth, he them shouted F*** OFF at me twice more. All that with a teenage looking passenger in the bus!
After pulling away and infront of me on the green light, he then screeched to a halt, as he waited to make a right into Queensferry Street. Twat. Dangerous Twat.
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