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Today's rubbish driving...
(11259 posts)- Started 12 years ago by Stepdoh
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Turns out the cyclist is a friend of my neighbour's.
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Several drivers who overtook me far too closely given the blindingly low sun as I cycled west on Charterhall Road and Cluny Gardens around twenty minutes ago. Two of them found time to sound their horn while doing so - one was at least moving fairly slowly but I swore badly at the other one.
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Thought I'd post this to raise awareness, and in case anyone else has any information which may be of use to the cyclist.
http://www.edinburghrc.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,16924.0.html
Colin
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Deliveroo moped-ist who decided it was a great idea to overtake me as I was in the process of turning into Chambers Street at lunchtime today. Call me old fashioned, but I thought it was unsafe to overtake in such situations.
I chuckled to myself as he duly got caught behind a truck.
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"Not only mounted the central reservation, but the crash barrier too, then drove along it for 300 to 400m squashing it flat."
Now repaired*
Good to know that broken infrastructure can be put right so quickly.
*actually, I think there is a little more to do, but it's still quite a quick turnaround.
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Good to know that broken infrastructure can be put right so quickly.
I wonder if the cycling-directions sign that was knocked over at the Russell Rd zig-zags is back up?
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I wonder if the cycling-directions sign that was knocked over at the Russell Rd zig-zags is back up?
It is.
[Edit]: or at least, it isn't flat on the pavement any more...Posted 8 years ago # -
@edd1e_h @fimm post upright this morning but no sign attached.
Anyway, rubbish driving: Works van with trailer attached reversing erratically between paths at 5-ways on NEPN. None of the four passengers could be bothered getting out to offer assistance. But what made this situation particularly rubbish was that the driver had only one hand on the wheel, the other being used to hold his mobile phone to his ear. Off the chart.
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"Not only mounted the central reservation, but the crash barrier too, then drove along it for 300 to 400m squashing it flat."
Now repaired*
Now if only they would fix the one which blocks the pavement on Maybury Road.
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Going back to my incident last week, thanks for the supportive comments, i've stayed offline for a bit as it really affected me.
As a renegade cycle man it pains me to admit it but i've now bought a Kask Mojito cycle helmet (for the comfort fit), entirely so that should i suffer brain injury in any future collisions, my partner might not have to haggle that i'm partially responsible for me being lidless.
Way further upthread, some might recall i had an incident last year, where @Stickman alerted me to a third party witness emerging on twitter. Unfortunately this is now going the full bhuna to court trial in July...
Tip of the iceberg. Keep the faith, brothers and sisters.
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2 more red light jumpers on the way home. I was coming up Carrington Road and they both turned right into it from Crewe Road South. The 2nd of these was an absolute disgrace as the lights had been red well before she got to the junction.
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There should be some sort of registration scheme for these "drivers", that'll stop them
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The crazy thing is that people think RLJ is exclusive to bikes.
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"The crazy thing is that people think RLJ is exclusive to bikes".... such as your local SNP councillor for instance.
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Had a great time at my first POP. Followed by this:
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Interesting, I'm sure the driver would have been annoyed had you been in a car and done that.
What was your Plan B had you got to the front and the left hand lane traffic had moved off a bit more smartly such that you were not able to move in to that lane?
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Plan B? This was already Plan C. My other plans were as follows:
A) Filter on the right until a few cars from the front. Move into the ASL feeder lane and slowly filter on the left to the ASL. Take the lane, turn left. Abandoned due to lights changing ahead.
B) Merge ahead of the car infront of the BMW. Abandoned due to that car indicating to turning left.
C) See video (notice he isn't indicating left)
D) Eye contact, signal, negotiate merge with driver behind the BMW.
E) Seek refuge in the hatching before the pedestrian crossing. Enter ASL once lights change to red. Take the lane, turn left.Posted 8 years ago # -
Regardless of how Erob done his entirely legal filter it is still a shocking overtake by the driver who showed a total disregard for his safety.
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I had my first ever wound-down window of abuse on the way home from PoP. I took primary position across the lights at the top of Marchmont, then moved to a textbook secondary position after I'd crossed the junction on to Kilgraston Road, but Mr 'Ah'm a cyclist massell' still felt I was so badly in the wrong that he had to wind down his window and shout at me to keep to the left and out of his way.
It wasn't worth the effort of trying to persuade him that it was actually him that was totally wrong (and I didn't have Cyclecraft, The Highway Code or my cycle instructor cerficate course notes with me)
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"secondary position after I'd crossed the junction on to Kilgraston Road"
That is a bad bit of road.
It's so upslope (and narrow) that few will 'dare' to hold primary, knowing the patience/understanding of most drivers.
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Indeed, have had a few close passes on Kilgraston Road - usually when going North. Drivers just don't like waiting behind you going up the hill. I do enjoy inevitable passing them again at the traffic lights though.
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Yep that bit of Kilgraston is a nightmare for drivers not understanding cyclists' road position. It's significantly more narrow on the Kilgraston side of that junction than on the Marchmont side. It's a particularly pertinent point when criticising the plans for the cycle route to King's buildings.
With regard to the BMW close pass, I think @erob has explained very well his perfectly good and evidently considered decisions... Even if the cycling had been reckless nothing excuses the behaviour of the BMW.
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Me and the boy heading from George IV to Meadows (Teviot to Bristow). Buzzed by a speeding taxi we had "held up". He was stopped at light top of MMW so I had a robust chat about why he felt it necessary to zoom past a 10 yo.
Son thought my swear words were " OK in the circumstances ".
Perhaps some of the less enlightened politicians need a day on a bike in " Scotland's most cycle friendly city "?
Posted 8 years ago # -
I would not seek to excuse bad overtaking by a motorist but let us review dispassionately what the video shows.
"Entirely legal filter". Perhaps, but apparently a breach of Highway Code rule 167 and certainly what I would feel was a bit of a cheeky move had I done it.
What the video seems to show, and what any bystanders or those in the queue probably think they saw, is a cyclist approaching a junction at a fair speed in a lane clearly marked as appropriate for executing a right hand turn.
The cyclist then takes advantage of a fortuitous gap in the traffic to move across at close to the last moment to the inner lane and executes a left hand turn.
This manouevre seems to be the one that classically receives so much opprobrium on here when executed by a motorist.
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Overruled, m'lud. Rule 167 clearly applies to vehicles only.
Only Rules for cyclists (59 to 82) & General rules, techniques and advice for all drivers and riders (103 to 158) relevant.
The right lane is divided by a broken line and does not become a filter lane until just at the lane change so not illegal overtake as no solid line crossed.
There was a clear gap which the driver created and certainly does not justify then being territorial about it with a punishment pass.Posted 8 years ago # -
This is the preamble to HC Rules for cyclists (59 to 82);
"These rules are in addition to those in the following sections, which apply to all vehicles (except the motorway section)."
My interpretation of this is that all sections of the HC (except motorway) also apply to cycles, which are vehicles.
I make no comment about the particular incident as it isn't clear from the clip how close the pass was.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Very car-centric.
Bikes are not vehicles.
It is quite apparent he overtook the bike with oncoming traffic on a blind bend/narrow road. ergo he left less than a car width. Anyone who cycles can see this is a close/punishment pass.
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I'm afraid that legally bikes are vehicles. A nineteenth century case established that, so when you see the word "vehicle" in an official document like the HC, that includes bicycles. Not car-centric, just the law.
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