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Today's rubbish driving...

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  • Started 13 years ago by Stepdoh
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  1. Frenchy
    Member

    Anyone have any other leads on appropriate legislation to quote?

    It's not in the Highway Code, but government/police advice is to cycle about 1m away from the edge of the road. Example of advice here: http://www.trafford.gov.uk/residents/leisure-and-lifestyle/sport-and-leisure/cycling/tips-for-cycling-safety.aspx

    If pointing out the door zone isn't getting through, though...

    I try and convince myself that, even if they don't accept the point at the time, they're likely to think about it next time.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. neddie
    Member

    No need to waste time quoting legislation. Just remove your helmet, point to your eyes and say,

    "Look at me. I am a human being. I am made of flesh and blood. I have children*. Do you want them to grow up without a father/mother? Do you want all of my family to be devastated by a bereavement? Think about it."

    *state ages if appropriate.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. NiallA
    Member

    Thanks Frenchy and edd1e_h - may try that wording next time in particular! Mine are 9 and 3 incidentally.

    Still feeling a bit worked up by it - it's really unpleasant...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. NiallA
    Member

    Just another thought (sure it's been covered here before), but is there legal precedent around the use of primary position (ie has it been accepted that that is a necessary tactic without representing an unnecessary impediment to the flow of traffic etc)?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. Frenchy
    Member

    Still feeling a bit worked up by it - it's really unpleasant...

    Worth firing an email to the council if you know the license plate or taxi number. licensing@edinburgh.gov.uk is the email address.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. wingpig
    Member

    Wee blue thing with students in it taking a very close line around the first left-hand bend at the bottom of Esslemont Road despite me being in that space. (Interestingly, the small white well.co.uk van in front of them (which I used as a marker to determine which car to point at as I passed on my way to the ASL at the red light at the KB junction) was still just in front of me until it turned into Forbes Road from Bruntsfield Place.) Edinburgh Leisure van didn't leave much space as it passed on West Mains Road and then parked in a really stupid place outside Sainsbury Morningside with its hazards on whilst the passenger disembarked to pop to shop.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Charlethepar
    Member

    French Volvo entered the Tollcross Home Street on a green light to proceed to Lauriston Place, but instead took a sharp right and exited across a "green man" (and just past a pedestrian holding up his hand in a "stop" gesture) onto Brougham Steet. This may be acceptable (and even legal) in Paris, but not in these parts.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. Stickman
    Member

    NiallA:

    I had a similar experience with a taxi at that very spot. Reported it to the taxi licensing board (with benefit of camera footage) and apparently the driver had a talking to.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. jonty
    Member

    Tollcross is a ridiculous junction and I find it hard to blame a driver unfamiliar with it for messing up (although they should probably have stopped when they saw the green man and person on the crossing.)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. adamthekiwi
    Member

    @edd1e_h: while I agree with the general sentiment in that, there is an implicit value judgement on reproduction there:
    "Look at me. I am a human being. I am made of flesh and blood. I don't have children, though, so killing me shouldn't weigh quite as heavily on your conscience as slaying a parent."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. ^^^ this

    I'm working on a combined Video / Easily hand overable leaflet for errant drivers. Planning on going live with it in a week or two.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. dougal
    Member

    @adamthekiwi: Maybe the speech isn't so effective without the implied threat of my (nonexistent) children tracking them down for revenge one day.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. "Look at me. I am a human being. I am made of flesh and blood. I have a cat. Do you want her to grow up without a daily-filled bowl of kibble? Do you want all of my chickens to be wondering why there's no sweetcorn today? Think about it."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. fimm
    Member

    Replace non-existent children with grieving partner / aged parent(s) / etc? Or "Do you want the death of another human being on your conscience for the rest of your life?" (note how often this one is wheeled out when someone has killed another human being using a car...)

    Slightly rubbish taxi this morning - parked in the small rank on Dalry Road approaching the Haymarket junction facing the wrong way... (neither more nor less of an obstacle while stationary, but I'm glad I wasn't around while they were getting there or pulling away...)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. steveo
    Member

    "Look at me. I am a human being. I am made of flesh and blood. I have a father who has a particular set of skills he will look for you, he will find you, and he will kill you."

    /liam neeson daugher.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. chdot
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  17. Frenchy
    Member

    Heading North on Potterrow earlier - it's down to one lane at the moment because of building work. I'm going to be turning right into Marshall Street, so I'm taking the lane (I'd be taking the lane anyway, since it's narrow). The Mazda driver behind me (HY15 VGA) apparently thought I should be on the left hand side of the lane, as he beeped his horn and waved his hand in that direction. I slowed down and gestured my feelings.

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    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. Greenroofer
    Member

    Plodding along the A701 this afternoon, my reverie was interrupted by an orange Mini convertible that came flying past. I'm not used to riding on A-roads in the country, so although I was surprised by the speed it could just have been that he was doing 60mph and it felt fast.

    A minute or two later a police car also came flying past. It didn't have its blues and/or twos on, so I reasoned that it must also have been doing 60mph, and it was just that it feels quick when you're only doing 12mph.

    I was proved wrong: I came round a corner to find the police car stopped with its blue lights on, the Mini stopped in front of it and two officers talking to the male driver. Tee hee.

    He seemed to have learned his lesson: a bit later the orange Mini passed me again, this time with an Audi TT that looked like it was niggling him for a race, but he didn't rise to the bait.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. fimm
    Member

    Rubbish parking:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37154123

    "Police were called to an unusual sight in Glasgow's west end over the weekend after an unoccupied car ended up on the roof of another vehicle."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. Ed1
    Member

    I wonder if will be careless driving, but guess would not be treated as such, as does appear quite dangerous if that fiat was not there could have crushed someone

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. neddie
    Member

    A new charge of "Careless not-driving by leaving handbrake off"

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. Doesn't need a new charge, could be cited as 'Careless Driving, by reason of leaving the handbrake off on a car parked on a slope'.

    EDIT: or 'carless' driving?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. Rob
    Member

    Corner cutting

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    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. algo
    Member

    @Erob -I had an almost identical one this morning... I notice you had a car on your left so a few seconds later and evasive action would have been impossible.... rubbish indeed

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. That's what happens when streets are designed around cars, giving wide and sweeping entrances that encourage not having to touch your brakes. Mind you, the worst corner cutting I saw was on a 90 degree blind bend a few years back.

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    Video notwithstanding I've always preferred entrances to the likes of roundabouts where the undergrowth obscures the roundabout as you get to it (this was the case for a while at the Jewel roundabout by the Asda) which forced people to slow down to see if something was coming. Then they cut the undergrowth, the roundabout is visible, and people start taking chances as they don't want to slow down if they can help it.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. amir
    Member

    It's even worse when you get a mix of visibilities at a roundabout. For example, Eskbank Toll has entrances with lots of visibility next to those with little visibility of that junction upstream. So cars come piling on at top pelt from the one with good visibility giving those at the junction downstream little margin. It's particularly painful as a cyclist or pedestrian.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. Rob
    Member

    @algo the car behind had taken some of my attention as it'd approached fairly quickly. Thankfully the driver didn't try anything silly and I still had enough attention facing forwards.

    "That's what happens when streets are designed around cars, giving wide and sweeping entrances that encourage not having to touch your brakes."

    @WC That occurred to me. I wondered if correcting this particular junction (its entering a 20mph zone past a school so it wouldn't be a bad idea) would solve the problem or if its more of a systemic problem caused by so many other junctions being designed to encourage faster cornering.

    Also @WC, that video is ridiculous.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. Approaching Cameron Toll from Craigmillar direction. I'm passed a little closely at a traffic island, but shrug that one off and move in behind the car. It's then I notice that the lady driving, with her teenage son in the passenger seat obviously being taken to school, has whipped out her phone and is checking something on it. Not a call, but swiping between screens. I can only put this down to her almost not noticing the lights ahead had turned red.

    Bizarrely she actually managed to stop without going entirely into the ASL, so I filter in front and make a motion of holding a phone in my hand, giving a glower and shaking my head (I'm deadly at charades). She tailgates me as the lights go green, but I'm heading on the 'City Centre' road, while she's heading up Old Dalkeith Road, so contents herself with roaring past me, and doing that thing with your hand that you do to say someone is talking too much (little bit odd).

    Given she had a passenger who could have checked her phone if there was something urgent, all she's basically done is taught her son that breaking the law is fine, doing something that could potentially end a life is fine, and if anyone points out that it's not fine you can attempt to bully them and get angry at them.

    Well done, a fine example to be setting your child.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. Charlethepar
    Member

    Three recent fat psychotic cyclist-hating taxi driver incidents.

    Last week, I was cycling South along South Bridge, wanting to turn right into Chambers Street. There was a queue in the centre lane, waiting to turn, so I took the right lane in order to get to the front. A Golf driver had got himself caught behind the queue, not wanting to turn himself and avoiding the "bus lane", and started to indicate left to change lane. Wanting to be cooperative, and not wanting to get splattered, I stopped to allow the car to change lane. Taxi driver behind me hooted away. Just what did the fat psychotic expect me to do?

    This morning, taxi covering entire ASZ to turn left from Chambers Street to South Bridge, and even over the front stop line. Police van waiting in right turning lane ("surely the polis took some action", says no one at all)

    Taxi driver jumping red light to turn right from Princes street to North Bridge, so late that the right arrow for traffic from NB had been on for some time.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. Their weight is relevant how?

    On the ASZ/ASL thing, granted the second driver was over the main stop line, but a driver can be in the ASL legitimately, and unless you saw them drive over the first stop line while the light is red I (these days at least) tend to simply assume they got caught (indeed, if someone is in slow moving traffic, they cross the first stop line, and then the light goes red, if they stop at the second stop line they've actually driven 'correctly').

    3rd driver jumping the red light is 'cyclist-hating' in what way?

    Posted 8 years ago #

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