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  1. miak
    Member

    Yesterday a driver tried to overtake me using the bus lane from Lothian road to Tollcross then pulled in on me as she ran out of room to pass . She had a child in the front seat (no child seat)and thought it was all a big laugh.... I was doing around 20 in the 20 zone. Another cyclist came up behind and gave her some thoughtful words. Not dangerous just stupid. Vid here https://youtu.be/DWG0Daodf-g

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. toomanybikes
    Member

    Someone evidently didn't bother to check their mirror before starting to pull into the bike lane (looks fairly minor on playback but irritated me at the time.)

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    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. Min
    Member

    Cyclist close passed by police in Broughty Ferry. The video doesn't work for me but the still is hair-raising.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. Ed1
    Member

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/514233/video-police-van-comes-within-inches-hitting-dundee-cyclist-close-pass-bend/

    It worked for me. I rode that road last year on my Dundee trip, there is a much nicer cycle route I found on the way back, that runs from Broughtyferry to Dundee

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. Min
    Member

    Oops, apparently pasting the link didn't work for me either! Thanks for posting it Ed1.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. piosad
    Member

    Absolutely blatant RLJ by white van man going at a very high speed at the pedestrian crossing outside Wickes in Stevenson Road. Bloody drivists. While the van was standing at the Westfield Road lights the passenger stuck her head out of the window and attempted to film something behind the van with her phone. Must have been distracted by whatever it was. Very lucky no-one was crossing from that side of the road.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I was sitting in this ASZ waiting to turn right into George Street last night. I was looking to my left watching them plough the gardens before replacing the turf for the Book Festival.

    Turned to my right to look at the lights and found the side of a CityLink coach going about six inches past my nose at a considerable rate of knots. Driver had chosen to drive their vehicle through the ASZ and down the wrong side of South Charlotte Street. I don't think (s)he saw me at all.

    It was too sudden to be frightening at the time but terrifying in retrospect. Quite pleased I had the presence of mind to look for rear-wheel steering on the coach, which could have killed me.

    Will be writing to CityLink and whoever administers PSV licences.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    RoadPolicingScot (@polscotrpu)
    27/09/2017, 09:09
    6 drivers in Orchard Rd, Edinburgh issued with tickets for speeds ranging from 32 - 37mph in #20mph limit this morning. #intownslowdown

    http://pic.twitter.com/hTFh4SRhBQ

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    “down the wrong side of South Charlotte Street”

    That’s bizarre/seriously worrying!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @chdot

    My gob was smacked.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    Or

    My gob was almost smacked.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    My flabber was gasted.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. algo
    Member

    what? That's mental. I hope you are alright IWRATS. I wonder if there is cctv around there. I would not have even thought about the rear steering wheel.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @algo

    It was indeed an extraordinary manoeuvre, but I'm fine. Similar to the time I came closest to death on a bike when an A-frame roof truss on a flat-bed lorry brushed my ear at 50mph it was so quick and actually consequence-free that I just ambled off.

    In Nabokov's Lolita after Humbert Humbert kills Quilty he drives off into the sunset on the wrong side of the road to indicate the total inversion of his moral world.

    I wonder if the coach's GPS will be accurate enough to have recorded its path?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    @iwrats From memory the white lines of the ASZ are very faint there and the centre line is almost nonexistent. I have often noticed a tendency of drivers to 'drift' there. Has always felt like a very unsafe junction to me.

    Of course, we can postulate the reason why the lines are damaged is due to drivers driving over them when they were once pristine.

    Really the solution is for CEC to place an island here, as bad drivers are more interested in not scuffing their alloys than keeping an eye out for vulnerable road users.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. davidsonsdave
    Member

    This morning I was coming downhill on a narrow residential road which has parked cars on either side and which narrows further at the bottom before widening at a blind right hand bend.

    As I am in the narrowest part, a car comes around the bend at an inadvisable speed (being that they cannot see oncoming traffic) and decides not to slow as they pass me within 20cm.

    In the heat of the moment, I hold my hand to my right suspecting that it most likely connect with his wing mirror as he passes, mostly to make it clear how close he was driving to me.

    The wing mirror was simply folded flat undamaged but the driver flew into a rage, screeching to a halt and revving his engine as he reverses backwards in an uncontrolled fashion, like something out of an action film, towards the blind corner he has just come around to shout some abuse at me.

    There were several families around, as it is close to a School and I am not sure how I would have felt if my actions had led to him causing an accident.

    Perhaps it is best to leave dangerous drivers alone.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @davidsondave

    Mate of mine got lifted and done for a mirror thwack on MacDonald Road. Gotta leave those dudes alone, can't win.

    PS Also a loony last night using a revving motorbike as a weapon to chase and intimidate a young lady crossing the bottom of Hanover Street after the green man. I'd have taken the key out of his ignition if I'd caught him on the Mound.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Perhaps it is best to leave dangerous drivers alone.

    Indeed, sound advice for all dangerous individuals.

    But my position has always been if a car passes close enough to reach out and touch, it's too close. Your hand had perfectly legitimate reasons for being where it was, not a few feet off your shoulder. His wing mirror had no business being that close to your shoulder.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. davidsonsdave
    Member

    Cheers, that is my position too kaputnik but I suspect that I would be the one prosecuted as IWRAT's suggests. Hope you get somewhere with CityLink.

    After a number of silly little incidents recently, I have reluctantly decided to run a camera on the bike.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. Boff
    Member

    @IWRATS - That lane, which for northbound traffic turns into George street, changes direction about 50 yards south of the lights that you were waiting at. If you look at the google-maps picture that you linked to and pivot to the left you can see a red merc and a yellow bus in that lane which are headed south. There is a faint diagonal line which is supposed to demarcate the change of direction but i suspect that most drivers simply move into the lane as soon as they exit George Street if it is clear (or only contains cyclists).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @boff

    Interesting. Conflict by design, eh?

    Not sure what lane it was in when it turned. Third or fourth from the east.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. ejstubbs
    Member

    "If you look at the google-maps picture that you linked to and pivot to the left you can see a red merc and a yellow bus in that lane which are headed south"

    If you track around that series of Streetview images you can see that the diagonal line which separates the northbound and southbound right-turn lanes is largely obscured by the tarmac surface patch that you can just see in front of the white van. So both the Merc and the white van are occupying the stretch of road marked as being for northbound, right-turning vehicles (bus, taxi and cycle only), ie they're on the wrong side of the road.

    Talk about people living up to their stereotypes...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. Frenchy
    Member

    That Dundee close pass from the police officer is terrifying.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. minus six
    Member

    Perhaps it is best to leave dangerous drivers alone

    i always confront them head on. i don't carry much obvious physicality but i have an unhinged air that unnerves them into thinking twice about the whole affair

    its only once every few years that i encounter a road psycho that trumps me for front

    adrenaline logic.. suck it up, or spew it out?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    Going up Lothian road at the WAR junction, I was driven at by. A driver in a Shogun. FN0B2 I think. 4 by 4 with ladder on back door.. He was driving so crazy and fast that he ended up in the pavement side lane which meant he was stuck behind bus and did not like that so he just drove straight into the outer lane, right in front of traffic. I then filtered up and had a look at him. Both schemie and radge. Left well alone

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. minus six
    Member

    the more we have to lose, the less we'll get involved

    and that's ok but lets not dress it up as maturity

    nazi europe determined that boiling frog outcome

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. miak
    Member

    @bax its getting increasingly more dangerous, life changing and expensive to even challenge drivers.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. miak
    Member

    Are military police permitted to use Edinburgh bus/cycle lanes during operational hours? All i can find on-line about military emergency use are that SAS on emergency missions can....

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. davidsonsdave
    Member

    @bax Perhaps I really mean that a direct confrontation with a dangerous driver is unlikely to lead to a beneficial outcome.

    Video of such incidences may help me to learn how to avoid getting into some situations. Alternatively, posting the video to an online forum seems more useful and hopefully a portal for submitting such footage will become available through Police Scotland.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. Ed1
    Member

    In practice I would think MOD truck could drive in bus lane

    Posted 6 years ago #

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