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  1. Frenchy
    Member

    I am thinking that having a wallet sized card, with what to do in the case of any collision would be *really* useful. What should the bullet points be?

    Cycle Law Scotland's page here is a good starting point:

    http://www.cyclelawscotland.co.uk/why-choose-us/accident-assistance/

    I have a (slightly larger than wallet-size) card from them with the points from that page. It also adds:

    "NOTE the registration numbers of all vehicles involved; the names, addresses and contact telephone numbers of witnesses; the road number."

    "WRITE your own description of the accident, including as much information as possible (e.g. weather conditions, road conditions, direction of travel, street names, road numbers, skid marks, injuries and vehicle damage). Date this record and keep it."

    It also has Cycle Law Scotland's phone number on it, of course, 0333 555 7783.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  2. barnton-to-town
    Member

    @rob
    "Is there really any need to be going at more than the motorised vehicle speed limit while on a bicycle?"

    Yes. When the vehicles around you are going at more than the motorised vehicle speed limit.

    You can't maintain speed parity with the motorised vehicles where drivers are consistently going at over 60 on a busy 60 limit road, over 40 on a 40 limit road, over 30 on a 30 limit road. You can't maintain parity with drivers when they're drinking legally at those speeds. So the above statement is self-justifying and an unacceptable excuse.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  3. Rob
    Member

    I'm not sure how 30/40/60mph roads are relevant. On the rare occasion I choose to ride on roads with a higher limit I accept the associated risk of the traffic being faster than I am.

    I choose to ride on 20mph roads specifically because I can greatly reduce my risks by keeping up with traffic. I don't set out with the intention of exceeding the limit but I'm not going to accept the additional risk forced on me when others do.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  4. Frenchy
    Member

    Saw a woman driving along Mt Vernon Road, typing on a tablet on her lap. Just as I passed, she reached a queue at the traffic lights and stopped, so I looked in the passenger window and said "Can you put that away when you're driving?". She did the instinctive shove-it-on-the-passenger-seat and then stared at me blankly.

    You can't maintain speed parity with the motorised vehicles where drivers are consistently going at over 60 on a busy 60 limit road, over 40 on a 40 limit road, over 30 on a 30 limit road.

    I would if I could, though. Matching one's speed to that of the surrounding traffic eliminates a source of conflict. For a vulnerable road user, that has obvious benefits.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  5. Rob
    Member

    @Frenchy Precisely! It eliminates pretty much every issue I've ever had on the road. Obviously as you're not being overtaken you won't get close passes or left hooks but additionally, it eliminates everything associated with not seeing you or misjudging speed - right hooks, pull outs, etc. It also makes it physically impossible for oncoming traffic to squeeze you into the kerb/door zone.

    And considering you're causing no extra risk to anyone, why wouldn't you take advantage whenever you're able to?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  6. edinburgh87
    Member

    a) the kind person who flashed a 4x4 out in front of me on the QBC northbound

    b) recipient of said kindness who took this as an all clear despite my rapid closing speed (still safe to stop)

    Glad one of the three of us had their eyes open..

    Posted 7 years ago #

  7. Frenchy
    Member

    Young driver of a red Mercedes-Benz (FV66 AHZ) texting as they drove down Ravenscroft Place towards the roundabout, round the roundabout the wrong way and then onto Newtoft Street on the wrong side of the traffic island.

    Thankfully no one else was using the roundabout or crossing the road at the time.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  8. Rosie
    Member

    Bloke pulling out of Lidl's in Dalry Road half across the road so he could see beyond a stopped bus, thus blocking the cycle lane. He could have estimated that a bus is unlikely to stop very long at its stop. They tend to move on. He then accelerates straight across the road to get into Cathcart Place, missing a cyclist heading east by inches. Cyclist yells at him.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  9. dk1
    Member

    Large Wolseley lorry that indicated right just past the Kings Buildings, pulled across the road, up on to the pavement so that he straddled the pavement and cycle lane and drove directly at me.

    Still he waved at me, so all good then, no problem mate.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  10. Edinburgh Cycle Training
    Member

    @dk1 would that be the Quality Bicycle Corridor cycle lane?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  11. Frenchy
    Member

    Driver of a Lothian Bus working hard to undo their company's good reputation on my way home tonight. Tailgating and passing within touching distance.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  12. glasgow megasnake
    Member

    the car that passed me too close at the start of liberton brae
    the car that pulled out straight into my path into the inside lane at the straiten roundabout
    the ikea van that overtook me by ikea, got alongside, and then indicated left before turning left straight across my path (only avoided by me braking to fall behind them).

    what a load of xxxxs

    Posted 7 years ago #

  13. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15528643.Tragic_schoolboy_Lennon_Toland_s_mum___It_feels_like_they_are_blaming_my_boy_for_being_too_small_to_be_seen___/

    Posted 7 years ago #

  14. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Girl, 15, killed by car while using pedestrian crossing

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-41680577

    Posted 7 years ago #

  15. chdot
    Admin

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    Northern Ireland football manager Michael O'Neill pleads guilty to drink-driving in Edinburgh after being found to have been three times the limit in the early hours of 10 September.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-41684402/northern-ireland-football-boss-michael-o-neill-handed-drink-driving-ban-and-fine

    Posted 7 years ago #

  16. chdot
    Admin

    "

    BOLLARDS put in place to keep children safe following the death of a five-year-old school boy in Tollcross have been knocked down by careless drivers.

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    http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15607810.Blow_for_Lennon_Toland__39_s_family_after_safety_bollards_are_damaged/

    Posted 7 years ago #

  17. acsimpson
    Member

    There's a fine line between careless driving and the headline "Vandals tear down safety bollards at site where Lennon Toland, 5, was killed"

    I rather prefer the headline version.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  18. unhurt
    Member

    Drivers are careless, cyclists are reckless?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  19. Min
    Member

    I don't know, it rather implies that bored teenagers are responsible rather than nice law abiding drivers.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  20. unhurt
    Member

    Borders Buses bus drivers almost every day at the minute up North Bridge. Poor lane discipline, uncertain signalling, intentional(?) blocking. Grr.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  21. dk1
    Member

    @Edinburgh Cycle Training, it was between Liberton Brae and the Kings Buildings. Roughly where the new entrance (is it an entrance, not sure) is being built into KB

    Not sure if that still counts as the "QBC".

    Speaking of which, it was full of parked cars this morning around Tesco at 9am, what a mess.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  22. davidsonsdave
    Member

    Driver of Black Astra SH16 VHY who tailgated me along Gorgie Rd near Aldi, shouting a sweary critique of my cycing as they passed me through a red light to make an illegal right turn onto Westfield Road.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  23. Ed1
    Member

    I was recklessly undertaken by a lothian bus ended up on wrong side of road as moved to avoid. It was after the lights at bottom of leith walk heading to consitution street. I stopped for red light bus behind me in same lane then light change bus aggressively under cuts in its a single lane from leith walk to consitution street I have taken that section of road 100s of time had a motorcycle do that before and a bike a couple of times but not a car. He must have flawed bus swing left on to part of road not meant to use then cuts in right before footofthewalk as bus not quick enough and too wide . like when a motorcycle did that move it was fast plenty room. Never had a car taxi van do that move

    Posted 7 years ago #

  24. miak
    Member

    Not wearing my camera today .... the black bmw tourer that decided that once all the cars had passed he could right turn into my path on queensferry road... brown saddle time .... been taken out like that already this year.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  25. Gresham Flyer
    Member

    From my high up vantage point on the Edinburgh - Glasgow bus this morning I noticed a driver with a pile of documents on his lap (mail?..) that he was systematically tearing into small pieces (with both hands) and placing in a zip lock bag - whilst "driving" his Audi in the outside lane of the M8 - it was on the approach into Glasgow (around the gas towers) when traffic bunches at around 20-30mph. As we were moving/ queuing along side at this pace I was able to observe him from for several minutes. To his credit he did regularly look up to see if the car in front had stopped, or done anything that might require him to regain control of his own vehicle.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/reckless-lorry-driver-who-ploughed-11218434

    Posted 7 years ago #

  27. Frenchy
    Member

    Young driver turning right from a side street, refusing to give way to me, even though I was on the street they were turning onto. Seemed delighted when they noticed the helmet camera, too.

    Also, immediately afterwards, the driver behind me using their horn as I took half a second to check the (stopped) driver coming the other way really had seen me and that it was safe to turn right.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  28. chdot
    Admin

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    A9 death crash van driver 'possibly asleep' at wheel

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-41735145

    Posted 7 years ago #

  29. claire3000006
    Member

    5 cars/vans overtook me in the eastbound Haymarket Terrace diversion today. I then passed them all at the traffic lights. Don't think they even made it through on the same green as me. Why do they bother?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  30. wingpig
    Member

    Two motor-bicycles in the advanced stop box at the Haymarket end of Dalry road, preventing anyone else from getting into it, especially when both were too busy chatting to each other to notice anything behind them. The one directly in front of me then spent several seconds getting switched on when the lights changed, resulting in impatience from the car I had not quite managed to get in front of due to the stop box being blocked. The quicker-to-get-going of the two was then in the West Maitland St advanced stop zone, where he had a clear view of the pedestrians starting to cross prior to the light change but still felt the need to accelerate towards them whilst beeping rather than let them cross.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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