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  1. EdinburghCycleCam
    Member

    @Frenchy Taxi from Market Street (Assuming pic is taken facing Cockburn St) heading to the rank on East Market Street, car with Xenon headlights from Cockburn Street also going for East Market Street?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    Pic is indeed facing Cockburn St.

    Close. Both came from Cockburn St, heading to East Market St.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. ejstubbs
    Member

    About to turn left in to Oxgangs Road North, I give way to the man pushing a buggy who is crossing the road (per Highway Code Rule 170). Not so Ms SK09 SXB, who has no doubt been waiting a while to turn right and simply can't wait a moment longer, pedestrians with children or no pedestrians with children.

    (If she'd hung back and let them go, I'd have been happy to let her go too. It's a 20mph limit with frequent speed bumps, after all - a few seconds extra wait makes no odds.)

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  4. wingpig
    Member

    Post the link which the URL resolves to once you paste the one you copied into the browser and click.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. Moose
    Member

    EJstubbs. The pushchair driver's alarm is palpable in that.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. dougal
    Member

    Black BMW exiting Dalmeny Street at speed, the driver checked the road through the non-transparent section of the car rather than the windscreen and shot straight out into Leith Walk.

    Obviously I had already stopped in the middle of the road and did not die, because I recognise a magnificent plonker when I see one.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. EdinburghCycleCam
    Member

    @ejstubbs - I don't think that was deliberate, they just weren't paying attention and didn't notice the pedestrian and thought you were letting them out. Which is just as bad, if not worse, in a way.

    Last night, white van man / highway maintenance van man telling me "You need to be in the bus lane", and when I said "There's cars parked in it", he replied "Doesn't matter mate, you've got to keep to the inside".

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  8. wishicouldgofaster
    Member

    He should also google the highway code as well as his number plate - what a halfwit!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. Greenroofer
    Member

    "Dear Lothian buses

    Empty service X12 travelling north on Gogar Station Road toward RBS Gogarburn. I was stationary on a bicycle. This bus came towards me too close and too fast. Please speak to the driver and remind them of the need to pass all road users, particularly cyclists, with care.

    Please recover and examine the video footage from this bus as it passed along Gogar Station Road, particular at the point where it crossed the traffic light controlled railway bridge at around 1727. You will see me on my bicycle, with lights, stationary and waiting at the traffic lights at the opposite end of the bridge to the bus. It is a narrow road. Watch the bus approach me and make no apparent effort to slow down as it passes me very close indeed. I was positioned well into the middle of my lane. If a car had been there instead the bus would not have been able to pass at that speed. Notice how as the bus passes me my bicycle wobbles due to the closeness of the pass and the fear that this close pass causes me.

    There was no justification for this action. It was either thoughtlessness or a deliberate act. Neither is acceptable from a professional driver. Please speak to your driver about this."

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Greenroofer

    I passed that way on Tuesday in my automobile. Same thing happened. Thought I was going to lose offside wing. No more than a couple of centimeters in it.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. wingpig
    Member

    Three people in a small car wearing cretinous expressions of puzzlement when they revved past me after the traffic-island pinch-point after At Clair Street, at which they had beeped. Poor things had been behind me since Lidl.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

  13. First bus driver on Princes Street this morning.

    Tailed me way too close, continually peeping.

    After I gestured to him I was staying in the outside lane, he undertook me way too close and fats and cut in similarly - aye, just in time to slam on his brakes for the red light for traffic coming from Charlotte Square.

    Idiot. Dangerous idiot.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  14. ejstubbs
    Member

    @EdinburghCycleCam: they just weren't paying attention and didn't notice the pedestrian

    Not paying attention when you're behind the wheel is culpable carelessness. And I find it impossible to forgive the fact that, at the point in their manoeuvre when they absolutely must have seen the pedestrian - because they were heading straight for them - they decided to plough on anyway.

    thought you were letting them out

    For the avoidance of doubt, I didn't flash my lights or signal in any way to either the pedestrian or the other driver (apart from having my left indicator on).

    Which is just as bad, if not worse, in a way.

    Aye. Often the correct response to: "I didn't mean to do it," should be: "But you didn't mean not to do it. So it's still your fault."

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. ejstubbs
    Member

    The reason why a court overturned self-employed Derby glazier's driving ban

    Six points for using his mobile while driving, on top of an existing six points for driving without insurance.

    Perhaps he should have thought about the potential for exceptional hardship before he broke the law and drove dangerously. In the case of the second offence, he took it upon himself to accept the elevated risk of inflicting really exceptional hardship on some entirely innocent third party, but doesn't seem to like having it come back on himself.

    At the very least, if the ban is lifted because the hardship really is regarded as being exceptional, it might feel less like you can "get away with it" if the judge were allowed to increase the fine substantially as a quid pro quo. If £16,000 extra costs would wipe out his profit, how about a £6,000 fine in lieu of the ban? Having to tighten your belt for a bit might get the message home.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. ARobComp
    Member

    White Van Man coming out the top of Victoria street just assumed that he could pull out into the small gap in cars queueing to cross the royal mile.

    I was unfortunately right in front of him at the time and thankfully a swerve from me and brake from him avoided any incident however very close and got my heart pumping.

    This seems to happen to me a lot of way to work from CCE PY meetups.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Behind @Roibeard on the way to Soderberg at Goods Corner. Got to watch a private hire cab overtake him on the wrong side of the road at 35-40mph round the turn into Liberton Road. Lights green for anyone coming the other way into Gilmerton Road.

    Utterly insane and unnecessary.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  19. gembo
    Member

    Is this nasty man's dad an Edinburgh taxi driver?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  20. HankChief
    Member

    Remind me not to cycle when the clocks change. 3 heart in mouth moments this morning.

    1. Van driver who had cleared the frost from the bottom of his windscreen but not the top (where his eyes are) taking longer than I would have liked to stop when we were going head to head on Featherhall Ave.

    2. Right turning driver heading into Ravelston Park who just followed the car in front without looking and then blamed the low sun.

    3. Driver tapping on his phone who indicated very late and started to turn into Kirk Loan and across me.

    Thankfully my speed was low enough that my emergency stops kept me out of harm and I stayed upright.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. ARobComp
    Member

    Low sun is very intense at the moment. Certainly perfect SMIDSY weather and we all know that blinding sun is a good enough excuse for most juries to let off a driver who mangles a cyclist, even if that sun would have been unable to blind them at the time of the incident.

    Keep safe out there!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  22. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Got the rear door of a removal lorry opened into my path. My path should have been the QBiC, but the removal lorry was parked in it. Low sun though. In my eyes.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  23. wingpig
    Member

    Someone preparing to pull out of Cornhill Terrace eventually thought it best to wind down their completely frosted window before trying to pull out. I hope the first thing they saw was me glaring at them.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  24. fimm
    Member

    Got called a "Stupid cow" by a Lothian bus driver for having the temerity to bang on his window to ask for more space next time. Have complained on Twitter.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  25. jdanielp
    Member

    I experienced some really awful driving while cycling in the vicinity of Addingham in West Yorkshire last week. Of many close, fast and dangerous passes, two stood out.

    The first was the driver of a farm vehicle, who decided to overtake me despite the fact that I was holding my arm out to say don't overtake me given that a vehicle was heading towards us along the narrow track up in the moors. Luckily, the driver of the other vehicle stopped, which meant that there was just enough space for the completion of the dangerous overtake. Luckily, I had also started to slow down; if I hadn't, I would most likely have been taken out by the trailer attached to the back of the farm vehicle as it cut across my path.

    The second was the driver of a mini, who decided to overtake me despite the fact that I was holding my arm out to say don't overtake me given that a vehicle was heading towards us on the B road that unfortunately we were forced to take to get in and out of Addingham. At this point on the road there were solid white lines at the edge of both lanes, either a warning of an imminent 30 mph speed limit or possibly even that limit already in effect, and girlfriend of jdanielp was cycling just ahead of me. As the mini swept past me at speed towards the oncoming vehicle, I shouted a warning as loudly as I could. Luckily the mini made it through the gap (I don't particularly approve of this, but girlfriend of jdanielp tends to cycle closer to the gutter than seems sensible; on this occasion I was very glad of her road position), but it was an extremely hair raising moment regardless.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  26. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    "Hundreds of drivers facing prosecution could escape without punishment after police failed to update their paperwork.

    Lawyers acting for motorists accused of everything from speeding to being involved in a hit-and-run claim that the Notices of Intended Prosecution (NIP) issued by Police Scotland for much of this year are invalid because they bear the name of a former member of staff.

    Former chief constable Phil Gormley quit his job at the head of the force in February but NIPs continued to carry his name and signature for six months."

    https://www.scotsman.com/cars/car-car-news/hundreds-of-dangerous-drivers-could-be-let-off-over-admin-error_edfcd98508f6d9c54a9c86d96a0b1a40/

    Posted 5 years ago #
  27. Frenchy
    Member

    Does anyone know what a solid white line in the middle of the road means? I used to think it meant something like "Don't overtake here, it's dangerous", but so many people do overtake that I must be mistaken.

    Saturday's example (contains swearing):

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  28. jonty
    Member

    That was almost a safe overtake...of a phantom bike about 3 car lengths behind you.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  29. fimm
    Member

    @frenchy (as I'm sure you know) it means you MUST NOT overtake.
    There is an exception. You my overtake if the thing you are overtaking is doing less than 10mph AND it is safe to do so.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  30. Arellcat
    Moderator

    @Frenchy, apropros of my earlier incident, after which I invited the Police to view my camera footage, it was a tricky case because the vehicle was hired or leased or something, and thus the driver could not be (easily) identified. That said:

    Rule 129

    "Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less."

    Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26

    which all sounds laudable and obvious, except that even though I was travelling at about 23mph the Police still felt it was acceptable for the driver to overtake me, because it was clear that the road ahead was not obstructed or likely to be obstructed in the time required to perform the overtake. I didn't share their optimism, however.

    Posted 5 years ago #

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