Yeah, I've had similar conversations with police officers before. They've said that GPS data showing that I was going 20mph wouldn't be enough to contradict a driver who said "I thought they were going less than 10 mph".
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Today's rubbish driving...
(11333 posts)- Started 13 years ago by Stepdoh
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Even without taking into account the solid white line that overtake looks mighty close when there was ample space on the other side of the road. Was it as close as it looked in RL?
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Yes. I also, unusually, didn't hear them coming, so it took me by surprise which didn't help. I might not have sworn if that weren't the case, and it'd be worth reporting to the police.
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@Frenchy: They've said that GPS data showing that I was going 20mph wouldn't be enough to contradict a driver who said "I thought they were going less than 10 mph".
Would it be enough for them to impound the car in order to verify that its speedometer is compliant with the C&U regulations? Or would it be foolish to presume that the police would expect a driver to verify a cyclist's speed before choosing to overtake against a solid white line - for example by consulting the speed indication device which has to be fitted by law to their vehicle?
It's a bit like the excuse that if a car is parked on the pavement, that is apparently not proof that it was illegally driven on the pavement.
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The police officer probably wouldn't have used the word "foolish", but...
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As ejstubbs suggests:
From a legal perspective, I think it is right to expect that the overtaker should slow down to, and match the speed of the cyclist (while still behind them), in order to verify if they are travelling above or below 10mph. Then, and only then, should the overtake commence.
Of course, this is not how the Police or legal system may see it - it is just my wishful thinking.
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One is obliged to have a speed indication device of reasonable accuracy on one's car. And I've never heard of anyone getting off a speeding charge with the excuse "I couldn't be arsed to look at my speedo to check how fast I was going".
If compliance with the law requires one to be aware of speed then failure to take reasonable measures to do so - eg just as a f'rinstance: eyeballing the device in front of you which tells you how fast you are going - should surely count as careless driving at the very least.
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East Safety Camera Unit Manager, Andy Jones, stated: “This is totally unacceptable and reckless conduct – this motorist has shown a complete disregard for their own and others safety.
“I am especially frustrated given the history of this road and am left baffled how anybody could travel at 88mph here and not expect repercussions.
“In this case, the driver will be hearing from us very soon and will be reported to the Procurator Fiscal.”
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Today's rubbish driving was brought to you by me. I was oh-so-cleverly avoiding a traffic jam by using a rat run that is closed to motor vehicles…and I suffered a complete brain failure because I forgot I wasn't cycling.
Quite how that is possible I don't know, suffice to say that my The Knowledge must be entirely bicycle-programmed, and it is only luck that the cycle infrastructure turned out to be motorbike-compatible. In defence, I was actually on my way to Biketrax to buy new leg warmers.
I may have severely p****d off a fellow cyclist in my absent minded manoeuvre, for which I am sorry.
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@Frenchy three things about this post ... 1) In court i produced GPS data showing i was doing 18 moh in a 20 zone when i got hit by a car (on video) which had accelerated into me at 26mph (according to the available evidence..video, time and map) It was deemed that ...wait for it ....I was going too fast for a bicycle (they shouldn't go that fast) and the car was going slowly according to the driver...despite all the facts clearly proving this was not the case.
2) A VeloCityLight would show the driver behind the speed you were going :D
3) Knowing that one could overtake a vehicle doing less than 10mph on a double white line would have saved me 3 points 20 years ago... :-( Heading north over Souter an old van climbing the hill in front of me nearly came to a stop at the crest so i overtook it ... a mile down the road at the other end of the long stretch a parked police car flashed me to stop and asked if i had overtaken on the double and i had said yes but there was a mile of clear road and the van had actually come to a stop. ...3 points and a wee fine. They saw me coming a mile away !
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Guess what happened next?
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Both vehicles turn right in front of you, the one coming towards you forces the other one left squeezing you to the side?
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What Algo said
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The flatbed lorry rolls over, on its own accord, spilling crates of beer onto the highway.
Some of that beer made it on to the back of your bike...?
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@Frenchy
Both vehicles wait at their 'give way' lines until you have passed as you have right of way according to the Highway Code.
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@Frenchy Lorry pulls out in front of you then stops to let the car on the left pull out, driver says he didn't see you because of the sun (and he didn't look), you turn right down Ellen's Glen Road?
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2) A VeloCityLight would show the driver behind the speed you were going :D
Q: would it be useful if cars had to display their speed on an external display in a similar manner?
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Driver on the left was faultless. Lorry driver didn't need any "help" in squeezing me to the side.
Still pondering whether it's worth reporting to the police.
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"Q: would it be useful if cars had to display their speed on an external display in a similar manner?"
What a brilliant suggestion. There must be technology to display speed onto the windscreen and rear window, perhaps at the top of each window. I'm sure it would stop most speeding.
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@Frenchy You could upload the video as unlisted for input, then set it to private / remove it if you want to report to the police?
It's hard to say from the video still if I'd bother reporting it - I've given up reporting all but the worst offences (I.e. deliberate ones), since action is never taken - and since it's a company vehicle, the police would need to do actual police work to trace the driver, so would probably be unlikely to do anything (though it really does depend on the officer you get).
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Your shadow is pointing straight at the driver when (s)he makes the call to pull out.
You came out of the sun Spitfire-style, narrowly avoiding a wizard prang.
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@Frenchy: My opinion: Not worth reporting, though maybe worth emailing the company. This is a similar incident I had - the same driver had passed me closer than any other driver had in my life 9 months ago (and the police only gave "words of advice" that time) - I reported this to the police since their words of advice clearly had no impact and got phoned back to be told that based on my description (Of having to effectively do an emergency stop as they pulled out in front of me), there's nothing they could do and they weren't interested in even coming to look at the video. I should have made a formal complaint about the apathy at least...
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Not worth reporting
Think I agree. Have also been told previously that swearing at a driver after a close pass means it's not worth prosecuting. I don't believe this can possibly be universally true, but in this case it's probably not worth it.
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BOC Transport Managers responsible for driver conduct;
Transport Managers
Name
GREGORY PATERSON
FINDLAY ORR MACNEILL
MARK GLENDINNINGCARRON PLACE, EDINBURGH, EH6 7LR, GB
Posted 6 years ago # -
After checking out the bollards at South Gyle. I spotted a driver scrolling through his phone on , this wouldn't be worth a post if the car wasn't working for the DVLA!
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Black Tonka toy driver who decided that he couldn 't wait to safely pass me so took to the pavement get round me.
He backed down when he saw a cyclist coming towards him only to try again once he had passed.
I got off the road to let him past :-(
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Someone driving a Rolls Royce yesterday, with a personalised number plate. Yet apparently not able to afford a hands free kit for their mobile...
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Yet apparently not able to afford
Safe in the knowledge that they do not need?
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Blue VW driver on Picardy Place roundabout going way too fast and assuming that the roadworks aren't changing from day to day. Not so, not so. Aimed to exit into Leith Street at speed through a bunch of cones and (beyond them) a bright yellow truck. Thankfully brain was finally engaged and they just performed a hard stop in the middle of the roundabout and moved on at a more relaxed pace.
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