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stickyYou are driving a BMW on a residential street. There are cars parked on one side of the road, and an oncoming cyclist.
Do you:
A: Stop, wait for the cyclist to pass then continue cautiously.
B: Drive on the pavement, thus saving yourself 3 seconds.
?
or as the majority of drivers do on Clermiston Drive
c) speed up and make the cyclist either stop or take evasive action
I don't think option a) exists. This morning my BMW driver just chose to continue as if I wasn't there so I made it v difficult for them to pull into the next gap, so that it would have been quicker for them to have just waited. It was tricky not to smile at thier exasperation.
Nearly taken out this morning in George Square outside Hugh Robson Building. I was going eastward, there’s some machinery stored in the parking spaces, a van parked by the kerb. As I start overtaking the van, driver of oncoming car accelerates and basically drives at me.
Nearly taken out by one of our elected members this morning. Driving through the junction at east market street following the car in front without looking to her right to check who had right of way. I.e. Me coming down New Street.
I did my Oooooh Mouth shape as it was fairly visible to me what was a happening. No bad words etc.
She met me at the lifts up into the building and apologised. I mentioned the tragic death yesterday bof the cyclist in Portobello.
Beeped at for taking primary whilst overtaking a parked car on Gilmerton Road.
Genuinely not sure what they expect me to do. Options seem to be:
@frenchy, I hope that was not the same elected member beeping after our little chat
Happy to confirm that it wasn't. Sounds like you handled it well, though.
@Frenchy People watch a few Danny MacAskill videos and think all cyclists are just able to take such obstacles in our stride.
I once saw what I now know was Danny MacAskill on his way to work hopping the railings on Lothian Road.
Saw two different Deliveroo cyclists almost taken out by crap drivers tonight. First one by a U-turning driver on Minto St who apparently couldn't be bothered waiting 3s for there to be no oncoming traffic. Second by a boy racer type in central Glasgow who gunned it as soon as the lights changed and just managed to squeeze between the cyclist in front of them and the car in the left hand lane.
Dear Mr Volvo Driver,
Beeping your horn at me because I was "in the middle of the street" just confirms that my road positioning was justified.
Yours,
Frenchy
Worst lunchtime cycle in a long time.
First, I was driven at and missed by about an inch on Mountcastle Drive North, here:
Need to check the camera tonight, but that one's probably going to the police - I was in primary and clearly visible for several seconds, and yet the driver decided to drive straight at me. If I hadn't swerved left, I'd probably be in hospital or the morgue now.
Second, the usual inconsiderate bike lane parking on Leith Walk - two drivers still in their cars, stopped in the bike lane, with a free space less than 10 metres away. A third vehicle also stopped in the bike lane with no driver, but the passenger gave an apologetic wave at least, and two or three other vehicles with no drivers - including one outside Greggs on double reds, blocking the dropped kerb.
Third, cut up heading to Leith Street from the top of Leith Walk, at the entrance to the Picardy Place roundabout - by a taxi driver who decided to make a third lane between me (in the middle of the inside lane) and the vehicle in the outside lane turning right, because I wouldn't block the roundabout by pulling out in front of a van which was already on said roundabout.
Fourth, honked at by John Gillan plumbing and heating services, Southbound on Nicholson Street at the red light just before Nicholson Square, about 25m after an HGV was parked in the cycle lane. When I turned around and looked at the driver, he pointed at the bike lane and then waved his hands in a "what the <rule 2>" gesture. I told him to use that big wheel thing and go around me, which caused some mirth to the Deliveroo guy who was crossing at the lights. He didn't go around me of course, and instead tailgated me (I think, need to check rear footage) until Rankeillor Street where I turned off. Pictures On Twitter
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Got the police coming to see the video tonight about the Mountcastle Drive North driver - their car is showing as untaxed and not MOT'd as well.
I think it was Monday when a driver merrily followed the driver in front and performed a nice wide overtake on me - only to come very close to a big white car coming the other way - that driver got on their brakes sharpish.
@ECC - the "MOT details unavailable" is almost certainly just because the car isn't old enough to have needed one.
When I've mentioned vehicles' untaxed status in the past, they've generally just said something like "We'll look into that." Would be good to know what they actually do - it's possibly something they leave to the DVLA to enforce. I suspect it might just involve checking that the vehicle will flag up on the ANPR system.
@Frenchy - https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/ says the MOT was due in May 2018 (And it was due to be taxed in June 2018).
If there is no MOT, then there can't be valid insurance either, which may be of more interest to the police.
I'll try to remember to ask them what they plan to do (if anything) if the vehicle is indeed untaxed and/or not MOT'd.
Well the police e-mailed me last night to ask for the footage, which I linked them to, and then never turned up to take a statement or reply to my email asking if they were still planning to come. I'll chase it up in a few days.
The other two "incidents" are now up, the Leith Walk parking one isn't very interesting, though the last one where I was honked at for not being in the crap cycle lane on Nicholson Street, despite there being an HGV in it is slightly more interesting:
Attempted murder? this
Driver is clearly annoyed that the cyclist has ignored the "Trams and local buses only" signage.
West Maitland Street is a core path - as I understand it, it is therefore completely legal to cycle along it in either direction.
Even if that isn't true, the driver's actions are completely inexcusable and I hope you'll send the video to Lothian Buses.
+1 for sending it to Lothian Buses - they generally (at least claim to) take driving like that seriously.
And they'll have the CCTV footage from the bus too.
tweeted the video to them
Outrageous video! Quite a few bus drivers from all companies are getting a bit 'horn-happy.' Perhaps it would make sense to link the horn to the brakes somehow, as many drivers I see using their horn in an attempt to warn pedestrians of their presence seem to have forgotten they have a pedal which can rapidly reduce the deadliness of their vehicle in case they don't hear.
I keep hearing about core paths in urban areas being used as a way of avoiding other signage/traffic law on this forum but never anywhere else. Is there any legal precedent which establishes taking access on a core path in a way which violates road traffic law counts as 'responsible' under the Access Code?
Is there any legal precedent which establishes taking access on a core path in a way which violates road traffic law counts as 'responsible' under the Access Code?
Good point. This is the reason the council removed all the "No Cycling" signage on Porty Prom around 5 years ago, isn't it?
@Morningsider might know more.
I think the core path would apply to the "footpath", and would permit responsible cycling on the footpath. Cycling on the carriageway is unlikely to be permitted in contravention of road traffic laws...
Core paths are part of the Scottish Right to Roam legislation, so probably would only be known/relevant to Scottish fora.
Robert
Cycling on the carriageway is the relevant part here cos of this sign.
I've only heard of access law being used in urban settings on the Meadows and on the Prom. Both off-road, and I'm not sure they necessarily were a result of the routes being core paths but simply paths subject to access law.
If it only refers to pavements, tempting though it may be I'm not sure I would call weaving along the West Maitland Street pavement at rush hour 'responsible access!' Although it's an interesting case as in most situations the council could argue that reasonable affordance for cycle access is provided on the carriageway, but that's (pretty unusually) not the case here.
The driver is on his horn on atholl place ..and i believe that is not a bus/tram only lane. Also how many cars every morning drive east onto atholl place from West Maitland street when the same sign is in place.
I would like vehicle horns to sound as loudly inside the vehicle as outside. That would soon suppress gratuitous use.
You don't see it on the video but the cyclist kept turning his head to check the bus and the driver had a fixed smile on his face..it was calculated and deliberate intimidation....if the cyclist had hit the track he would have been hit ...it is just unbelievable
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