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stickyIn Dalkeith yesterday, the passenger in a car was firmly engrossed in their texting, rather than looking out the windscreen. Fair enough, I suppose, except that the car had L plates. Actually had one of those magnetically attached roof-mounted L plates, so may even have been a driving instructor.
Rubbish driving supervision, rather than rubbish driving.
And illegal: https://www.gov.uk/driving-lessons-learning-to-drive/practising-with-family-or-friends
If a 'professional' driving instructor, should be reported to the regulator for such things (discussed on here in the past, can't remember offhand).
I was going to look into who that was. Probably DVSA?
I've tried reporting a driving instructor before only to be told they'll only act if the instructor is convicted of a driving offence.
You may have more luck, but don't hold out much hope.
If it's anything like my experience with taxi drivers and the council licensing folk - since using a mobile while driving is an actual road traffic offence, they won't take any action and will tell you to contact the police (then they don't need to put in any effort of course). The police will no doubt say the footage isn't clear enough when it probably is, and then the licensing folk / DVSA will say "Well if the police won't take any action, we're not going to either".
private hire who passed me at the pinch point turning right from Waverley Bridge to Princess St where the cobbled strip starts just before the trams turns up to St Andrews.
It happened in reasonably slow motion and I was unusually calm about it. I just wrapped his passenger window a few times and he moved over & stopped. Far far too close. I didnt really need to stretch to knock his window.
remarkably little swearing on either part, i think because:
1. he knew he was well out of line so didn't have a leg to stand on.
2. was my 3rd similar incident in 12 hours & I couldn't be bothered being ranty.
3. also I cycled the length of the Cowgate earlier in the morning (something I never do as no reason to), wow / omg its mental. Its like the land that driving laws forgot.
Time to buy another camera I think.
Driver of a black VW Golf was stopped in the ASL on West Maitland St this morning so I was one of 4 cyclists who went in front of him. He clearly didn’t like this as on Torphichen St he did a very deliberate left hook on the guy in front of me to turn into one of the offices.
Not the same car as Stickman's but today's rubbish driving (which almost became hilariously bad - but would have been a shame for the innocent party) was brought to me by a Black VW Arteon in Morningside Road heading South.
As is so often is the case, traffic was very slow but VW man took exception to the fact that I was free-wheeling but still keeping up with the traffic - just over a car length behind the car in front.
Cue he had to overtake as clearly cyclist was holding him up. He was too busy distracted probably muttering about cyclists that he failed to notice that the slow moving traffic was now stopped! Had to slam on the brakes and screeched to a halt barely short of the innocent car in front.
He and passenger were muttering to each other as I cycled past - they were probably only at the Canny Man as I was turning up Morningside Drive...
Considerate driving from a couple of motorists further up the queue who pulled over to the right to make it obvious they expected me to filter....
Driver of the white Ford who drove straight towards me this evening (I was visible to them for 6 seconds), because there were parked cars on their side of the road. There were two spaces they could have pulled in to to give way, or they could have stopped alongside the parked cars, since they were opposite a road end anyway.
After they passed me by I'd guess 1cm or less, at a combined speed of around 30-40 mph, they blasted their horn at me, presumably to tell me that travelling on my side of the road upset them somehow.
Despite previous experience, I've reported this to the police as "At least dangerous driving, if not that then attempted murder", because two hours later I'm still shaken.
When they phoned back, I explicitly asked for a road traffic officer (As the road policing folk on Twitter advised previously), but I've been told that the road traffic officers don't attend diary appointments, it's only if I call 999 from the roadside that they'd attend.
Police coming on Monday to take a statement / see the video, etc.
@edinburgh cycle training, that is a very very bad one
It's like the birdbox challenge is alive and well these days with some motorists.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48146525
Sounds like the met is on top of things "The Met said it sent a letter to the registered owner of the BMW to ask who was driving at the time of the crash."
Almost looks like it could have been deliberate. Although the BMW does appear to have been travelling at somewhat in excess of the speed limit, given that another car had gone the other way just a few seconds before it seems difficult to conceive how the driver could have lost control sufficiently to be on the wrong side of the road unintentionally in just that short time - unless he was fiddling with his phone, or consciously allowed himself to become distracted in some other way.
Deliberate or not, leaving the scene of the accident makes him a <rule 2> of the first order.
Very close call on Clermiston Drive this morning - 3rd time this week that a driver has failed to give way :(
Police came to see the video of the head on charge / failing to give way by the white Ford driver on Wednesday, and agreed it was "absolutely appalling driving" and are charging the driver with careless driving. So that's good I guess.
@EdinburghCycleCam - Very good result!
@edinburghcyclecam, blimey, I did not know the police could do that
@gembo I knew they could, they just generally don't ;)
@gembo: Indeed, we've been told for some time that there is a problem with using video as evidence for this kind of thing due to different rules in Scotland. It's usually trotted out as a standard excuse for not accepting video evidence of offences from road users, like so many forces in England and Wales do. So what's changed?
@ECC - Genuinely, but pleasantly, surprised at that.
"So what's changed?"
Technically nothing. For some time now CCTV footage has been accepted as corroboration. Or rather, more correctly, the footage is evidence, and the police and victim identifying the accused on that footage is the corroboration. It has been arguable for quite a while that helmetcam footage could fit the same rule.
There is also a major review on the way of the Corroboration rules, and it may be that there has been an informal policy adopted ahead of that all coming to fruition.
Or, in this single case, someone sensible looked at it and made a determination that was consistent with what they are allowed to do, but other people in the same situation have followed the status quo. (Though have they actually been charged yet? Years back I had a head-on scary moment - officer in the station agreed it was dangerous, police who took the statement downgraded that to careless, after that.... nowt).
@Wilmington's Cow - Though have they actually been charged yet?
No, not yet. The officers said they'd go and talk to the registered keeper, and I said "To be clear, I'd definitely not be happy with just words of advice here - I've had a previous incident where the driver was given words of advice instead of being charged, and then they did the exact same thing a few months later, and I was told nothing further could be done because they'd already been spoken to. And in this case, I'm fairly certain that I came within 1cm of being hospitalised", and they then said "No, we'll definitely be charging with careless driving or driving without due care and consideration for other road users - we need to talk to the registered keeper to identify the driver"
I also asked if I'd hear back and was told "Yes, I'll give you a call after we've spoken to the driver, hopefully in the next day or two".
Much better than the other head-on charge I reported in March, which I've had to chase up repeatedly and still haven't heard if the driver is being charged. The officer dealing with my complaint is on annual leave (again), and isn't back until the 10th, but I'm sure she saw my email before then and just didn't respond. That one I'm planning to make a formal complaint about (About the handling of the incident and about the officer herself), but I'm giving her until the 17th or so to respond to the last 3 emails that I've sent in the past month.
Wow.
Update just now from the officer who came to take my statement - they spoke to the registered keeper who admitted it was herself driving, and they gave her the charge there and then. She has 28 days to accept it or take it to court, but the officer said she indicated that she'd just be accepting the 3 points and £100 fine.
I'll chase it up in a month to check she did actually accept the charge and that I'm free to share the video (Unless I hear back before then, obviously).
One of my incidents from a couple of months or do back has now been resolved.
The Police got the footage from the bus behind and whilst they couldn't see the driver hitting the back of me (slowly) they could see him leaving by going through a red light.
I also got the footage from Lothian buses but with everything except me pixelated into fuzziness. I agree that this is all that can be seen.
Police spoke to him and gave him a Fixed Penalty Notice. Happy enough with that result for my 1st report to the Police.
@edinburghcyclecam that's a brilliant result! There's hope :)
A dangerous close pass for me and a colleague by the driver of a red Land Rover outside Linlithgow. When we both shouted angrily at him he stopped the vehicle to tell us off for using bad language ... the guy who could have hospitalised me ... bad language ... then he called me a "beardy b*****d" which maybe I am but he had a beard too.
Anyway it was all our fault for deliberately riding in the road and he frothed and drove forward and stopped and half mounted the verge and then drove off. While all this happened the van behind us was keeping well back - the succession of idiots that overtook this stationary van and then nearly rear-ended the land rover at speed - well they can all get in the loch with the original idiot.
Oh and despite it being all our fault when I tried to photograph the man with my phone he was very sure to hide his face.
Actually looks like it might be worth fitting a helmet cam if Police:Scotland are actually doing something with the footage.
@dougal grim story - sorry to hear this. It's the incessant uninformed, logically inconsistent crap you get shouted at that really gets me....
Told off a woman for driving while messing with her phone this morning.
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