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Today's rubbish driving...
(11337 posts)- Started 13 years ago by Stepdoh
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"No, this is not my vehicle."
"But you are driving it, Sir."
"No, I was not driving."
"Sir, You are sitting in the driver's seat. Would you mind stepping out of the car, please?"
"No, I am not sitting in the driving seat. I was not breaking this speed limit, and I was not breaking any other speed limit. I will not step out of my car for you, I will not step out of my car for anybody, and that is my final word on the subject. Good day."- Geoffrey Norman, MP
[Edit: I made this up, but I think I may be channelling an actual FS sketch]
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It took a year, (well, 11 months), but the police have finally charged this taxi driver with entering the ASL on a red light, and have awarded him 3 points and £100 fine.
Annoyingly, they couldn't (or wouldn't) charge him with jumping the red light, because the footage doesn't show him crossing the forward stop line on red - despite the fact that he's behind it when the light is red, and in the middle of the junction when it's red/amber. I guess he could have teleported there.
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Sounds like both bus drivers should've been charged.
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Sheriff John Cook acknowledged the cyclist’s part in the incident
What the heck does that mean?
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Shouldn't be on the road as doesn't pay road tax!
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I wondered that as well, I guess its something like the cyclist part may be was travelling too fast for the conditions or not exercising caution when filtering approaching a junction, in the judges opinion
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So the cyclist was going up the inside/LHS of a slow moving or stationary bus? One bus driver didnt check his mirrors before flashing the bus going the other way to cross. Driver turning right didnt see cyclist but proceeded anyway, then stopped.
If they had all followed the HWC, it wouldnt have happened. Three way blame.
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HWC Rule 110
Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.
HWC Rule 111
Never assume that flashing headlights is a signal inviting you to proceed. Use your own judgement and proceed carefully.HWC Rule 211
It is often difficult to see motorcyclists and cyclists, especially when they are coming up from behind, coming out of junctions, at roundabouts, overtaking you or filtering through traffic. Always look out for them before you emerge from a junction; they could be approaching faster than you think. When turning right across a line of slow-moving or stationary traffic, look out for cyclists or motorcyclists on the inside of the traffic you are crossing. Be especially careful when turning, and when changing direction or lane. Be sure to check mirrors and blind spots carefully.
I am unclear what the cyclist contravened in the HWC?
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Car sat in the ASZ so I stopped behind it, level with the second queuing car.
The driver of that vehicle incites me to go ahead of the leading car and 'get in his way' as he shouldn't be doing that. I declined. Weirdo.
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@Murun Cyclist not following
Rule 163
Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You shouldonly overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
No cycle lane there and it isnt a multi-lane road, so "stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left" doesnt apply
rule 167 certainly applies
Rule 167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
where traffic is queuing at junctions or road worksRule 67 in the section for cyclists makes it clear that the general section on overtaking applies to cyclists as well.
We know that section of road, its a fast downhill, and the temptation must be to whizz down the inside of the traffic, especially as there is a bus lane that then disappears just before the junction, but to argue that the cyclist is blameless is wrong. A third maybe. If he'd been overtaking on the right, he'd have seen the bus, and might have been seen by it.
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Rule 72
On the left. When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you, out of or into the side road. Just before you turn, check for undertaking cyclists or motorcyclists. Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left."When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you"
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I have been hit by drivers twice whilst cycling. Both pulled out of a side road into the road I was cycling on. No amount of me "watching out" on either occasion would have improved my situation.
Perhaps that wasn't the case for the cyclist in this situation, but it may well have been.
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That's the thing though, too many drivers don't look. Going through Clermiston this evening and 4 drivers in the space of 5 mins failed to give way and if it hadn't been for my anticipation/reactions/good brakes I would have been hurt.
If that wasn't bad enough some stupid woman in a jeep overtook me as I was going round the corner just off the Drumbrae as it was too much to wait 1 second. I am tempted to put a note on her car later telling her that if she almost kills a cyclist don't be surprised if they call into question your driving skills and whether you have passed your driving test.
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@mgj: We know that section of road, its a fast downhill, and the temptation must be to whizz down the inside of the traffic, especially as there is a bus lane that then disappears just before the junction, but to argue that the cyclist is blameless is wrong.
I know it well, too, and I have to say that I agree with you: IMO the unfortunate cyclist in that incident was partly culpable. The junction is also a yellow box - and quite a long one in the N-S direction - so it's quite likely that a northbound vehicle stopped at a green light would be waiting for their exit to clear before proceeding, leaving the junction open for someone wanting to turn right in to Greenbank Drive. It certainly wouldn't be wise to pass up the inside of a vehicle waiting there without being extremely wary about what might be happening just beyond it.
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Two, one from yesterday evening and one this morning.
Yesterday evening, temporary traffic lights at Firhill roudabout seemed to be stuck on red. Clown in a Subaru WRX or similar decides he's had enough, pulls out of the queue along Colinton Road southbound and absolutely floors it through the extended single-lane section (which is one reason why the cycle on the TTLs is so looooong - near enough five minutes). He had no way of knowing whether something might be coming over the rise from Oxgangs Road North, or from the western leg of Colinton Road. And there were gadgies in hi-viz wandering around (apparently trying to fix the lights). So: jumping a red light, speeding and dangerous driving all in one package.
This morning, John Bertram Joinery of Penicuik had left a large gap between his grey transit van and the stop line at Fairmilehead crossroads lights, then failed to move when the lights turned green. No surprise to see that he still had his mobile phone clutched in his right hand as he tried to negotiate the right turn on to Biggar Road.
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Taxi driver honks horn at me because I refuse to pedal through an amber straight into pedestrians. Taxi follows aggressively close for a few hundred metres as punishment.
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Two today:
Taxi driver who wound down the window, apparently to express his annoyance at me not cycling underneath a bus on Liberton Road. No words, just took both hands off the steering wheel and waved them around, so not sure why the window needed to be wound down. He then pulled out in front of a police car which was being driven out of Gordon Terrace (siren on).
Heading up Liberton Brae, I was passed a bit too close for comfort by a Lothian Bus driver. Nothing horrendous, just a bit closer than I'd like. However, they then overtook the cyclists in front of me at a traffic island. The bus was well into the cycle lane at the time. Atrocious driving, will be reporting.
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I was driving this morning (and still think it's crazy that at 7am driving through the centre of town is by far the quickest way for me to get from Duddingston to Edinburgh Park) and it really focuses you on how much people speed in the city. I mean, you get to know that on a bike, but when you're in a car, have the speedo there, and you're conscientiously sticking to the limits, the cars you gather behind are particularly telling. Happened in every 20mph zone, and for some reason people in SUVs see a little (original) Mini and think sitting right on my tail will encourage me to go faster.
Then on one bit of road narrowing I'm in the left, the right is to merge into that lane, and a girl in a white VW Up in the right lane as the narrowing starts drives just a mile or 2 an hourquicker than me to start edging in front (she had been quite a bit behind). I ended up deferring, as frankly I don't want to get scrapes on a recently replaced and resprayed wheel arch.
Oh, and someone beeping a line of traffic (one of three, I was at the head of the leftmost) which didn't move when the green light went, mainly because there was an ambulance making its way down Lothian Road.
Sigh.
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people in SUVs see a little (original) Mini and think sitting right on my tail will encourage me to go faster
This is basically bullying tactics. It used to happen to me when I drove my wife's old Ford Ka and is now happening again, now that we've downsized our Mazda 6 to a much smaller car.
The look on their faces, though, when you pull up alongside them as you catch up at the lights, when they see a man driving (below the limits) what is ostensibly considered to be a "women's" car*
*I'm aware that gender stereotypes should not really be applied to cars, but the general public still do it.
Posted 5 years ago # -
I've had the "opposite problem" when driving a hire car - a white BMW sporty looking saloon.
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You've found yourself aggressively tailgating because you're in a beemer? :D
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Saw a car with a great window sticker in the rear windscreen - "The closer you come, the slower I go".
It's quite fun driving along the Lang Loan at the new(ish) 30mph limit watching the rage build up behind. As much as people want to speed they're not actually willing to overtake when it's clear to do so.
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As much as people want to speed they're not actually willing to overtake when it's clear to do so.
Not my experience on Gilmerton Station Road, plenty of people willing to overtake there.
Posted 5 years ago # -
A few weeks back I got overtaken by a Range Rover driving through Holyrood Park. My car is a 68-plate hot(ish) hatch. Not sure if this proves or debunks the hypothesis.
Posted 5 years ago # -
Yeah, I've been overtaken (by a BMW X5) in Holyrood Park, as I drove at the speed limit. Mountcastle Drive, both North and South, is particularly bad as well.
Posted 5 years ago # -
BTW I'm guessing it's you I've spotted on a blue Elephant bike going along the Innocent some mornings? Kudos to tackling the Innocent tunnel incline on one of those!
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:) Yep, that'll be me. Virtually every work day. It's fine really, except for the really headwindy days....
Posted 5 years ago # -
if i'm cutting about on a fancy road bike i can outfox any situation on the road - its me that calls the shots, not them, every time
but the heavier the frame, the more vulnerable i am
sad but true
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For the first time since I've started cycling in Edinburgh (back in September) I got close passed and it was stupidly close. Could easily have hit my handle bars with their wing mirror.
The PHV then stopped in the ASL and the passenger started abusing and threatening me when I told the driver they should give some more space. Driver then deliberately set off slowly so the passenger could continue to abuse me without saying anything to them.
Just feels annoying that I can't do anything about it even if I have their number plate/PHV no
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