I certainly don't see anything to suggest that 3 in an hour is anything exceptional.
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(11334 posts)- Started 13 years ago by Stepdoh
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UK Parliament report - from 2004, but no reason to think things have improved:
It is estimated that around 470,000 drivers on Britain's roads do not possess a valid driving licence and that 5% of drivers are uninsured. In addition, "unlicensed drivers commit 9.3 per cent of all motoring offences. It can also be seen that unlicensed drivers committed nearly a quarter of all insurance offences and almost half of all theft or unauthorised taking offences."
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1) driver trying to tell mr fimm and me that the two-way street we were cycling on is one way.
2) different driver nearly took out mr fimm by going too fast round a corner while doing something with his hands - I think he was trying to light a cigarette. He came close-ish to me, too.
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I think it’s appropriate to ask such drivers if they have a license...
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@chdot yes also insurance and MOT
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Which? One-way-street man or cigarette man? The latter was going too fast for any interaction; mr fimm got into a "discussion" with the former which resulted in both of them breaking rule 2: next time that happens to me at that spot I'm going to try and get the driver to look behind them and point out the No Entry sign...
(gembo may now be able to work out where the one-way street in question is.)
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“Which?”
Your choice, but obviously not recommended...
Rule 2 situations may occur.
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@fimm you have piqued my curiosity there.
I am imagining your route to discount bacon buttty in South Queens.
Cultins is a bad one
The worst though is Hankchief on that Point Hotel two way though that was very early in the morning so no risk.
Wardlaw I go up as allowed but tricky at top
I have used up my three guesses, there are more though Robertson Ave? Area.
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Wardlaw I go up as allowed but tricky at top
Indeed.
Explanation: the road in question is Stewart Terrace; hopefully this link to the Streetview at the top shows the One Way signs
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9342287,-3.2335218,3a,75y,25.93h,101.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sboPNY1jkGZguftOp5NB_lg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
You can just about make out the two way sign, but it is more obvious if you go forward one click. It is only a few meters that are one way. So grumpy man had noticed the one way sign but not the two way one (which has the No Entry on the other side).That's not the first time I've been told I'm on a one-way street in that spot when I'm not, and I don't suppose it will be the last.
(Edit: streetview link has not worked, but if you are interested enough you can work it out for yourself...)
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@fimm Steward/Wardlaw Terrace was my parking spot for 3 years while we lived across Slateford Rd and I never noticed that two way sign! (or just didn't process the information)
Cyclists quite often cycle all the way up to Robertson Ave/Slateford Rd though (and it's a shame that cycles are not allowed to do that). As you probably know cars very often go far too fast on that descent as usually taking a shortcut to Gorgie/Dalry and avoiding the lights.Posted 3 years ago # -
This should work
https://goo.gl/maps/BdeVSUTF23znfmHk7
Signage a bit confusing
Strange coincidence there is also a Stewart Terrace in SQ.
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"As you probably know cars very often go far too fast on that descent as usually taking a shortcut to Gorgie/Dalry and avoiding the lights."
Cars turning right into it also cut the corner quite badly, probably as they think that means they're not ignoring the no right turn sign. Far from convinced it's supposed to operate that way. A messy junction.
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@Murun I also thought that the right turn is illegal but Mr Bill asked his driving instructor about it a few years ago and that instructor said it was totally fine to do that. I wish there was a sign to clarify it.
I observed that most cars do that turn at the red light/during the change as there is usually oncoming traffic otherwise.
I did it several times (usually at night when quiet).As you say "a messy junction".
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Strange coincidence there is also a Stewart Terrace in SQ
i was rammed right off that particular road one time by a "fife flooring" combi van driver, while i was negotiating a speed bump
local cops declined to be interested in the matter, and logged my complaint as a "road accident"
to add insult to injury, cop gave me a cheeky "mind how you go" as i left the station
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@bill - Ask and ye shall receive...the plans for the Slateford Road Spaces for People projects include the words "Confirm banned right turn onto Stewart Terrace from Slateford Road".
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The junction definitely needs signage, but I think that while the no-right hand turn sign on the traffic lights is after the Stewart Terrace turn, so possibly allows the very sharp right...
However there is a sign is well in advance and pretty clear to me, that right turns are not permitted.
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Surely it’s very clear from the road markings (clear in stretview) that right turns are banned for general traffic.
Perhaps there needs to be a camera?
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Agree with ChrisFl that those pulling a mad U turn down Stewart coming from town will be arguing the no right except for the 38 bus is for Robertson.
Even coming from the west most assume the left lane is for turning down Robertson not for heading to Stewart so most cyclists I know wiill avoid a left hook by taking the right lane and veering across when safe.
A very messy junction indeed.
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“will be arguing the no right except for the 38 bus is for Robertson”
Yeah, but that’s disingenuous or just stupid.
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It is especially stupid when you see them doing it.
There is a similarly very weird looking right turn heading west through Colinton which is also a massive U turn but this is allowed and wizened old cats like a Gembo anticipate it, newbies might be taken aback.
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I think it is ambiguous whether the hard U turn into Stewart Terrace is banned. Given that people drive the, definitely banned, right turn into Robertson Avenue in cars fairly regularly, it isn't surprising that they assume the "U turn" is OK.
(That reminds me, I was going to grumble to @EdinburghHelp on twitter about the driver of a bin lorry making the banned right turn.)
I'd put a big planter at the top there and make it cycles and pedestrians only. Yes, it would inconvenience us when we are driving from out of town along the Slateford Road but we'd just have to do a left and then two rights instead. I think a lot of the drivers that come down Stewart Terrace are rat-running to avoid the Robertson Avenue/Gorgie Road lights or to avoid the illegal right turn.
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Planter would be good but fear it would see a fair few crashes. Apparently this morning there is a car on its roof at Top of Curriehill Drive. A wide junction without any particular issues so how the driver managed that I Dinnae Ken
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“Given that people drive the, definitely banned, right turn into Robertson Avenue in cars fairly regularly, it isn't surprising that they assume the "U turn" is OK.“
Um, I just think that’s 75 degrees more of the same ‘law doesn’t apply to me-ness’.
And/or ‘don’t care, won’t get caught’.
The idea (by drivers) that the NO RIGHT TURN doesn’t start ON Slateford Road is fanciful.
I’d also suggest that the speed at which they do the double right turn suggests they are trying to make themselves invisible quicker...
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Even coming from the west most assume the left lane is for turning down Robertson not for heading to Stewart
@gembo LOL! Almost every time i drove that I was facing a dilemma: which lane and left turn indicating or not. I think my most common approach was: left lane and indicate left for a little bit. When you indicate left most pedestrians that are crossings over Steward T think that you are going down to Robertson Ave.
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EEN want my details to read that story what is the gist please.?
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Given that people drive the, definitely banned, right turn into Robertson Avenue in cars fairly regularly, it isn't surprising that they assume the "U turn" is OK.
Maybe I should reframe my near daily annoyance at drivers occupying the ASL at the top of Robertson Avenue as instead thankfulness at the selflessness of those drivers "protecting" me by sitting in that box having passed me mere moments earlier.
Definite toss-up between that junction and bottom of Lanark Road/Craiglockhart Ave for most occupied by cars ASL that I encounter on my merry way round Edinburgh.
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@gembo:
A police statement confirmed: “On the afternoon of Monday 15th February, officers observed a vehicle in Tranent being driven that had previously been issued with a prohibition notice.
“The vehicle was stopped and found to have no valid MOT.
“The driver was subsequently charged with Road Traffic Offences and an unconnected, outstanding shoplifting offence.”
TLDR: Person who appears not to GAF about acceptable behaviour in a more-or-less civilised country gets nicked.
(Given that those words form no more than about 15% of what they saw fit to plaster all over my browser, I would cite fair use against any accusation of copyright infringement. EEN and its sister national paper is so insistent on badgering me to subscribe these days that I sometimes just copy an article's URL and open it in a new private browser window. It always tells me "this is the first of your five free articles this week". Stickin' it to the man...)
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@stubbsie, nice one
That cat should have his car impounded and a tag clipped to his ankle
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@lanterne Bru excellent reframe
The other junction at craiglockhart where Ooor Wullie statue sits is a belter, with cables erupting through the asphalt on the straight ahead
Sometimes beyond there I feel brave enough to go up behing Slateford station and on to the towpath.
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