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  1. boothym
    Member

    The roadcc article on that cyclist killed near Ladybank has more shocking details about the state of the driver's van and his victim blaming.

    https://road.cc/content/news/pensioner-jailed-after-fatally-striking-cyclist-truck-291603

    "A bus driver...claimed that he heard the motorist say that he didn’t see the bike rider “because the sun was in his eyes”."

    According to Fife Council's accident data site, both were travelling north on a straight road. Definitely someone who shouldn't have been on the road yet probably hasn't been tested since 50-60 years ago.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  2. chdot
    Admin

    “

    On Friday at Edinburgh Sheriff Court, shameful driver Matthew Mckay was jailed for 20 months and banned from driving for two years and 10 months.

    “

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/west-approach-road-crash-edinburgh-rickshaw-passenger-scarred-for-life-after-horror-car-smash-3646683

    Posted 2 years ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

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    Police Scotland confirmed that the van had failed to stop for officer in Edinburgh a short time earlier.

    “

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-crime-news-two-drivers-including-one-of-a-police-vehicle-hospitalised-after-a-crash-on-the-m8-3647867

    Posted 2 years ago #

  4. ejstubbs
    Member

    @chdot: ... driver Matthew Mckay was jailed for 20 months and banned from driving for two years and 10 months.

    Can't help thinking this could equally well have gone on the "rubbish sentencing" thread. Less than two years for causing serious injury by dangerous driving - i.e. skittling three innocent people across the Western Approach Road leaving at least one with potentially life-changing injuries - and failing to stop?

    Forget the driving ban: too many such characters seem to manage to drive perfectly happily* while banned...

    * Or at least they are happy - other road users quite likely not.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  5. chdot
    Admin

    “

    The app, Speedcam Anywhere, is the product of a team of AI scientists with backgrounds in Silicon Valley companies and top UK universities. Its creators hope it will encourage police to take speeding more seriously and enable residents, pedestrians and cyclists to document traffic crimes in their area.

    But since it launched in March, the vitriol levied at the team is such that they are afraid of sharing their real identities. “We’re getting quite abusive emails,” said Sam, the app’s founder, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “It’s a Marmite product – some people think it’s a good idea, some people think that it turns us into a surveillance state.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/10/speed-camera-app-developers-face-abuse-from-uk-drivers

    Posted 2 years ago #

  6. chdot
    Admin

    “

    A 28-year-old drink-driver caused the death of a great-grandmother in a head-on crash in Moray, a court has heard.

    Shaun Munro crashed into Katrina Smith's car on the A96 Forres to Nairn road, near Brodie, in April 2019.

    “

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-61067989

    Drink-driver who killed Moray great-grandmother in A96 crash faces prison

    Posted 2 years ago #

  7. gnr1751
    Member

    Stood at the bus stop at Danderhall today ,watched 7 drivers pass while having phone against their ear , also 3of them blatantly went through red light because nothing was coming out of Danderhall . 20 minutes and its like shooting fish in a barrel !!

    Posted 2 years ago #

  8. Frenchy
    Member

    Someone in Penicuik the other day overtook me, then started driving in the cycle lane on the approach to the traffic lights (on red).

    They must have realised that they weren't leaving me much space to filter to the ASL, as they then folded in their wing mirror. Thanks, I guess, but it'd be easier to just...not drive in the cycle lane.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  9. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/broomhouse-hit-and-run-man-seriously-injured-in-hospital-after-being-hit-by-vehicle-3656184

    Posted 2 years ago #

  10. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-hit-run-driver-identified-26725636

    Posted 2 years ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

    This is actually quite surprising.

    Car coming towards cyclists.

    Shows what Police CAN do and SOME will do with video footage!

    “

    COURT RESULT: CARELESS DRIVING. The driver of this vehicle decided to pass a group of cyclists at excessive speed and far too closely. Fined £417 in total, licence endorsed with 5 points. If anyone thinks this is an acceptable manner of driving, let this be your warning.

    “

    https://mobile.twitter.com/sheffnw_npt/status/1517083692690288642

    Posted 2 years ago #

  12. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Helps that the head of Sheffield North West NPT is a cyclist!

    https://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/video-trucker-banned-after-head-on-near-miss-with-off-duty-cop-out-training/

    Posted 2 years ago #

  13. mcairney
    Member

    "Terrifying isn't it? This is why I recommend people always ride with a camera. For this offence, no camera, and that driver would still be free to carry on risking other people's lives for his own convenience."

    Meanwhile in Scotland we don't even have a portal to submit video evidence......

    Posted 2 years ago #

  14. stiltskin
    Member

    As ever. The scariest thing is some of the comments

    Posted 2 years ago #

  15. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    "Meanwhile in Scotland we don't even have a portal to submit video evidence......"

    Neither did the Sheffield case at the time. Access to a portal by Polis Scotland on the 12th of Never will be useless without a root and branch reform of Polis Scotland and the COPFS desire and willingness to prosecute cycling footage cases.

    "This happened before we accepted footage on the Nextbase portal. The Deepcar team and Walkley teams completed the court file, and have had some very complimentary comments from the victims."

    Posted 2 years ago #

  16. chdot
    Admin

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    Holmes, of Spennymoor, County Durham, later pleaded guilty to aggravated vehicle taking, causing serious injury by dangerous driving, driving without insurance and failing to provide a specimen of breath.

    On Thursday, Judge Ray Singh sentenced him to 32 months in prison.

    “

    https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/20083817.drunk-crashed-stolen-car-off-bridge-motorway-left-woman-trapped-inside/

    Rubbish sentencing too?

    Posted 2 years ago #

  17. chdot
    Admin

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  18. chdot
    Admin

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    A drunk driver who was caught almost six times the legal alcohol limit has been banned from the road for two years.

    “

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/drunk-east-lothian-woman-was-almost-six-times-the-legal-alcohol-driving-limit-3671533

    Posted 2 years ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/28/tory-mp-jamie-wallis-charged-over-car-crash

    Posted 2 years ago #

  20. fimm
    Member

    Was driving (sorry) along Dalry Road at 20mph last night and the driver behind overtook... When I stopped next to her at the traffic lights at Haymarket I was very tempted to get out and explain speed limits to her...

    Posted 2 years ago #

  21. chdot
    Admin

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    A Conservative police and crime commissioner who pledged to crack down on speeding has been caught breaking a 30mph limit five times within a 12-week period.

    The PCC for Nottinghamshire police, Caroline Henry, admitted the offences, including two committed on consecutive days, at a previous hearing in February at Nottingham magistrates court.

    Magistrates were told that Henry, who is the wife of the Broxtowe MP Darren Henry, had written a letter to the court saying she was “very sorry, embarrassed and ashamed”.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/03/nottinghamshire-police-and-chief-caught-speeding-five-times-in-12-weeks

    Posted 2 years ago #

  22. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-crime-police-seize-off-road-motorbikes-after-spotting-couple-driving-them-on-footpath-in-wester-hailes-3680995

    Posted 2 years ago #

  23. Yodhrin
    Member

    I'm starting to find it odd how contra to the prevailing wisdom and experience my own rides are - maybe some women drivers just really don't like my appearance?

    This one didn't really put me at risk luckily, was down on Market Street with a queue of traffic ahead, so I stopped to let some people cross despite there technically being enough of a gap for me to move forward, and the Range Rover Mum sitting behind me evidently took exception, soon as we got moving again she roared past. To be fair she gave the requisite distance when passing, but alas was so busy revving her outrage at being held up by a measly two-wheeler she didn't notice aforementioned traffic ahead and nearly rear-ended a taxi taking on passengers. Made three or four lurching aborted overtakes of the cars ahead and eventually seemed to calm down into the usual motorist's traffic-torpor.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  24. fimm
    Member

    Had what could have been a bad one last week - Just descending out of Kirknewton when a driver attempted to overtake and forced the oncoming driver to slam on their brakes and me to yell, swerve and slow sharply.

    Of course I caught up with the driver at the lights... she claimed that I'd moved out which meant that she didn't have space to pass... I really don't know if it is worth the effort of talking to people, maybe sweeping smugly past her to the front of the queue would have made my point just as well.

    (I think the oncoming car was in the dip at the point she started her overtake, which is why she didn't see it. I think a camera would be useful as much to review what happened as to pass on information to the police/post on YouTube.)

    Posted 2 years ago #

  25. chdot
    Admin

    “she claimed that I'd moved out which meant that she didn't have space to pass“

    Assuming the accuracy of those words, WHICH I’M PERFECTLY WILLING TO DO.

    !!!!?????!!!!?!

    Posted 2 years ago #

  26. fimm
    Member

    Well, yes, that was my reaction exactly...

    Posted 2 years ago #

  27. MediumDave
    Member

    "Qwality" driving. It's not as if cyclists are exactly slow down that hill. Glad nothing bad happened to you or the other driver.

    Similar vibes to the dude in the commie pool carpark the other day who I encountered driving the wrong way (back towards the barriered entrance).

    On my gesturing expansively at the LORGE and GLEAMING white arrow indicating the correct direction, he informed me that "I can't go the right way, there are no carparking spaces".

    I gave him the hard stare & enquired why he could not simply leave the carpark through the exit.

    Answer came there none.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  28. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/driver-fined-after-charity-cyclists-hold-up-274382/

    Posted 2 years ago #

  29. steveo
    Member

    Its so frustrating how demonstrably bad drivers get away with points because they'd lose their licence. That is after all the reason we have the points system.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  30. Frenchy
    Member

    "But he decided against imposing a ban or points which would bring a disqualification as Macdonald already had endorsements on his licence."

    It's not clear from this if the sheriff:

    Decided the appropriate punishment was 5 points, and this wasn't enough to take the driver to 12;

    or decided not to give the driver more points because that would have meant a ban.

    It seems quite likely that the driver would have successfully pleaded exceptional circumstances if they'd hit 12 points, so perhaps the former option is more likely?

    Posted 2 years ago #

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