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Today's rubbish driving...

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  1. Kenny
    Member

    Two incidents within 5 minutes of leaving work tonight.

    The first was the most concerning, although please do pay special attention to my left hand and how it is starting to brake in anticipation of the car pulling out of the side street in what can only IMHO be described as dangerous driving. Please excuse the swearies.

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    Next, not quite so scary, but a car who attempts to overtake me at a pinch point despite there not being enough space between me and the car in front of me because (shock horror) I'm cycling at the same speed as the cars in front.

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    And there I was, hoping that cycling without a helmet (uh oh) would mean drivers would give me more room. The helmet will be back on tomorrow since it won't be so hot ;)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    Seriously bad driving (not Edinburgh).

    "
    At the time the driver was apologetic and was informed by the police that I was recording my ride and seemed to admit fault. But when it came to my insurance claim against her she disputed it. Safe to say the video has saved me a lot of hassle and 3 weeks later the cheque has already arrived from the insurance company.

    "

    Spectacular capture -

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  3. MediumDave
    Member

    Approx 2020 this evening I was rolling gently down Ardmillan Terrace, enjoying the summer air. A van was stopped at the lights at the bottom. As I approached its rear and slowed the lights changed and the van moved forward, dithered, then swept majestically and quite illegally left onto Gorgie Road, almost flattening a lady crossing on the green man from the Murieston Road side. It was close enough (and my view obscured enough by the van) that I thought she'd actually been hit. Fortunately she was quite unharmed.

    I hit the brakes and stopped smartly whereupon a guy on a mountain bike close behind me crashed into my rear wheel and fell off, cracking his elbow on the ground. Despite this he did manage to simultaneously yell at the van driver, which is more than I did. This was rubbish cycling on his part I guess but since the consequences fell entirely on him I don't feel aggrieved.

    In the ensuing conversation the lady who was crossing stated that vehicles often make the illegal left turn there.

    Despite no serious harm being done to anyone I decided that I'd had quite enough cycling for the day and walked across the road to my house. Quite spoiled a nice evening.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. Beano
    Member

    As a new cyclist i'm amazed at how many drivers are so eager to pass a cyclist who is travelling with the flow of traffic. It seems like they become obsessed with 'getting past the cyclist' at all costs and they focus everything on getting past you and not on other hazards around them.

    This morning I was taking my normal route from Morrison street and crossing Lothian Road and heading down Grassmarket to cowgate and was given a close pass on the run down to the grassmarket by a woman who was so obsessed with passing me she didn't see the ped crossing turning red (I did) and she had to brake and pull sharply almost into my path. I was still behind her all the way along the cowgate so there was no advantage to the manoeuvre. This eagerness-to-pass always seems to happen though and as a newbie...I just don't get it!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. twq
    Member

    @Beano this is a daily occurrence for me, and probably everyone else on here. It has happened, but it's very rare, that drivers look ahead and think about why they want to overtake.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. newtoit
    Member

    @Beano

    Only been at it a day and can completely relate.

    On my way home yesterday I had 2 occurrences of it:

    Number 1 was coming down Lauriston St, I was going to be going straight ahead at the bottom of the street, across Lauriston place into Lauriston Gardens. As this splits into 2 lanes, I went into the (correct) left lane and held primary as the majority of vehicles go left there - didn't want to get stuck inside a left turning vehicle. As I was coming into the lane an old lady in an Aygo type thing drove right up my back wheel and proceeded to sound the horn at me! After all this we then had to stop at the lights in any case, so if she had got past she'd not have been going anywhere. Turns out she was, indeed, going left...

    2 was on the S-Bend going from Grange Loan to Blackford Avenue, I got buzzed by an SUV just going into the corner, who then went straight on rather than following the road round, meaning I had to slam on the brakes to avoid running into the side of him.

    3 was actually on the way into work - coming out of Argyle place and going left to go along Melville Drive I was passed by a long wheelbase van driver who squeezed me in next to the kerb on the corner itself - I was signalling to turn and was waiting for a gap in the traffic. When it came, he spun his wheels and pulled away before me, despite being behind, meaning again I had to slam on the brakes before the apex to avoid him.

    None of those drivers would have been at all inconvenienced by waiting a few seconds.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Dear Mr. F. Bus.

    "I wish to complain about the driving standards and the attitude of the driver of your above mentioned service that I had the misfortune to encounter this afternoon while I was cycling on Princes Street in Edinburgh. The service was No. 27, your fleet number was 36009.

    We were both headed eastbound, I was in the left hand lane, between Frederick Street and South St. David Street. Your vehicle partially passed me, at which point it then began to cut across from the right hand lane in to the left hand lane, squeezing me towards the kerb. Your vehicle made contact with my right side and I was able to give it a firm thump on the side wing. I was positioned about half-way down the side, between the leading and rear wheels. I was forced to apply my brakes and slow down as the bus continued to drift across. At no point did I see any indicators.

    I caught your vehicle at the next set of lights (outside Jenners) and came alongside the driver's window. I asked him if he had any idea what he had just done, and got in return a sarcastic response that I could not fully discern over the noise of the traffic. I moved around in front of the bus to note the fleet number and your driver pulled a face at me and made a "writing it down" motion with his fingers; the attitude he conveyed was "yeah, yeah, right it down, whatever". At this point I then cycled off as I had no wish to further communicate with someone who clearly did not feel his standards of driving fell well below an acceptable minimum, had no regard for the safety of a vulnerable road user and whose whole attitude was one of flippancy rather than apologetic. Given the level of traffic on Princes Street, I was well ahead of your bus quickly and never saw it again.

    Your driver clearly has no appreciation of how to pass a cyclist on the road and when is and when is not a good time and place to try such a manoeuvre - a congested Princes Street, already busy with buses, taxis, cyclists and pedestrians is not. He clearly has no idea of the position he put me in as his 12 tonne vehicle began to squeeze me towards the kerb and then made contact with me - it could quite easily have ended up with me under his rear wheels. He then exhibited a completely childish attitude when confronted with it. Perhaps he would do well to consider he is driving a public service vehicle, clearly marked with his employer's name, a service number and fleet name.

    I look forward to your response on this matter.

    Regards,

    Mr K. Nik"

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    Hope you sent it

    And to traffic commissioner

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. Dave
    Member

    Had a curious semi run in coming through the golf courses this evening. After it opens for the driveways of the houses which are 'on' the path, a old guy driving the other way had to pause for a moment before he could turn right into his drive.

    He shouted something I couldn't catch (it was a convertible), so I slowed down a bit and as he turned behind me he was trying to tell me I should have given way.

    Unless my memory plays me false, there's no give way on the road between the houses 'on' the path and the wider section of road (which you might call the road proper). Needs a video check though.

    I was annoyed and passed the bad treatment on to a couple of pedestrians further along the road (should probably cross-post onto the bad cycling thread!). I find it interesting, perhaps a tiny bit disappointing that I'm just like the rest of society in this regard.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. gibbo
    Member

    Lothian Bus 41, Reg SK07 CBV, approx 11.15am this morning.

    I was crossing (as pedestrian) the pedestrian crossing at the west end of Davidsons Mains Main Street. The bus was turning east at the roundabout.

    I was already on the zebra crossing when the driver accelerated towards me. I had to sprint to the traffic island to avoid being hit.

    To give you an idea of how fast it was going and how late they braked, the bus didn't stop until around 2 metres after the crossing.

    The driver said she didn't see me. I'm not small, I'm not skinny, I wasn't wearing camouflage. I'd say I couldn't have been much easier to spot unless I was wearing hi-viz.

    If a driver can't see a pedestrian in the middle of the road, she's not fit to be behind the wheel of a bus.

    Shocking.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    Hope you'll report it.

    "

    If you wish to make a complaint, please email mail@lothianbuses.com with the details.

    "

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. gibbo
    Member

    Hope you'll report it.

    I sent them a message via their website when I got home.

    I don't understand how a professional bus driver could simply "not see" someone in the middle of the road.

    (It's not like I'd just stepped onto the road.)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "I don't understand how a professional bus driver could simply "not see" someone in the middle of the road."

    I'm sure the bus camera will have recorded your run - perhaps you should ask for a copy!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  14. wingpig
    Member

    SB06 something something something, which was doing something stupid enough (didn't see) to achieve at least 270 degrees' spin at the Scotsman roundabout not long after the rain started. Given that there were clouds of roadies doing laps of the hill it might have been nastier.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    You mean the roundabout formerly known as the Scotsman roundabout?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  16. wingpig
    Member

    The Rockstar North roundabout?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  17. Greenroofer
    Member

    I was waiting on the pavement on my bike to turn left onto Lanark Road, having just come from the canal here. The road here is two lanes in each direction.

    A white van from a carpeting installation company* coming from the west was in the outside of the two lanes, so I could quite reasonably have pulled out into the inside lane without inconveniencing him at all. However as he approached me he moved into the inside lane to pass close to me. As soon as he was past me he moved back to the outside lane. There was no oncoming traffic and no traffic on his side of the road, so the only interpretation of this that I can think of is that it was a deliberate move to stop me turning into the road.

    Whether this was a deliberate attempt at intimidation or obstruction is almost beside the point: someone wandering randomly over two lanes on an empty road qualifies as a rubbish driver in my book.

    (*99% sure I remember the name of the company, but don't want to put it on here in case I'm wrong)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    @greenrooofer, know that spot well, never heard anything like that happening. Bizarre

    Posted 10 years ago #
  19. Kenny
    Member

    I'm trying my best to think of an "excuse" for the van driver, @Greenroofer, and the best I can come up with is that he was trying to slow down due to the speed camera and was using the full width of the road to do so?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  20. Kenny
    Member

    From failblog. It's not possible to see what actually happens, but wait until the cop pulls the car over and you can then figure it out from the conversations.

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  21. twq
    Member

    Coming along Queen's Dr this morning towards Dynamic Earth (on road), was beeped at by a taxi going the other way, accompanied by some pointing to the bike path. I imagine he was trying to tell me to get on the path.
    Considering he was speeding, I was doing 18mph, and he was wrong, it rather got my goat.
    I'd report him but neither the camera nor myself got the plates. Looks a bit like SF1 GNU.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  22. twq
    Member

    If anyone is better at reading pixels: http://i.imgur.com/jqTTejT.png

    Zoom, enhance, etc.

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  23. davidsonsdave
    Member

    Driver of white Transit-style City of Edinburgh van SD55 YDL this morning. Driver appeared to be in a rush, possibly late for work?

    He entered and stopped in the box junction on Morrison Street at junction with Semple Street using the left had lane to push past everyone queuing in the middle lane and who didn't enter the box as the exit wasn't clear.

    He was behind me as I entered Cowgate. I held primary position as there was oncoming traffic and the road is narrow. I was keeping up with the traffic in front but could hear him accelerating towards me so when he was a few meters away I turned and gave him an open hand "stay back" gesture to which he beeped his horn. In stationary traffic a little ahead, I turned to ask him what danger he was warning me of but could not hear his answer. I imagine it was his poor driving.

    Complaint submitted to CEC.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. gibbo
    Member

    Coming along Queen's Dr this morning towards Dynamic Earth (on road), was beeped at by a taxi going the other way, accompanied by some pointing to the bike path. I imagine he was trying to tell me to get on the path.

    What a clown.

    Except Sundays, I use the path to cycle up the hill (to Holyrood Park Road) because the road is narrow and I'm a lot slower than the speed limit.

    But you're going 18 in a 20 zone, so you're not really holding up anyone who's going the speed limit.

    What's he on about?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  25. twq
    Member

    @gibbo I didn't have a car behind me the whole length of the road. Unusual, but kind of backs up my point!
    I use that road every weekday, and have maybe seen 5 cars in 2 years stick to 20.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  26. Boff
    Member

    Just had a phone call from the Environmental Wardens at the Council. The complaint I made about rubbish being thrown from a van on Duddingston Road West last month resulted in a fixed penalty notice being issued to the culprit with the company arranging for the Environmental Warden to visit their office to issue the fine. This coupled with some footage of Spooky Wood at Glentress has made the helmetcam investment more than worthwhile.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  27. Boff
    Member

    Just had a phone call from the Environmental Wardens at the Council. The complaint I made about rubbish being thrown from a van on Duddingston Road West last month resulted in a fixed penalty notice being issued to the culprit with the company arranging for the Environmental Warden to visit their office to issue the fine. This coupled with some footage of Spooky Wood at Glentress has made the helmetcam investment more than worthwhile.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  28. earthowned
    Member

    @Boff - well done you!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  29. zesty
    Member

    Cycling home to Fife last night via the Dalmeny Estate, as I'm approaching the steep downhill I notice a car 200m back from me, I decide to take the primary position as don't want the car over taking on the narrow road when youire reaching speeds of 30mph.

    It only takes about 20seconds to get down the hill so didnt think the driver would catch me in time, how wrong was I.
    Half way down I do a shoulder check and notice the cars only a few meters from the back wheel, next thing I know the car is passing within a foot of my bars with the drivers side wheels on the grass. She must have been doing over 40mph past me as checking back later the bike computer showed I was doing 35mph.

    Tried to follow the car, dark red Volvo cross country CSY1 but loose it through the estate, at the blind summit hill catch a glimpse of it going behind the Dalmeny Estate offices. Went to the offices and made a complaint about the car, they seem to know the driver is as they described her as an older womand with grey hair which is what I briefly saw.

    Interesting to see if anything comes of this!

    Was this car not involved in a previous close pass on the estate with another member on here last year?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  30. gembo
    Member

    Quite a lot of Festival driving this week. Cars in middle of pedestrian crossings caught out by lights, cars doing u turns as have gone wrong way, big vans outside the underbelly in the cowgate making it tricksy. Take care.

    Posted 10 years ago #

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