You'll need lights coming home on Monday.
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Posted 13 years ago #
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And going in for those that get up early enough.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Indeed. My lights have been living on the bike for the last couple of weeks anyway.
Posted 13 years ago # -
If I can find my back light, which my dearest darling daughter has hidden somewhere. As it's probable that she will be on the back of my bike on Monday morning, it's really in her interest for me to find it :)
Posted 13 years ago # -
Plenty of lights. I need to find out how to adjust a toddler's internal clock to GMT.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Yes, but it'll be lighter in the morning...
(For a while)
Think a lot of the fuss about 'clocks going back' is that people imagine their day length light is being stolen -
Like when they changed calendars.
The idea that the benefits (or otherwise) are dependent on farmers (who will be up well before dawn anyway) seems strange.
Posted 13 years ago # -
No I wont. finish at lunchtime :p
Posted 13 years ago # -
I've been using my lights for the last few weeks any way.
Posted 13 years ago # -
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PM this userThe idea that the benefits (or otherwise) are dependent on farmers (who will be up well before dawn anyway) seems strange.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-15492270Posted 13 years ago # -
when I worked as a farmer we didn't bother putting the clocks back until well into November.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Already need lights both ways, unless I start late/finish very early. It's dark after 6 as it is...
Yesterday morning the stars were magnificent in the 'night' sky.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Not on Monday as I'm on a compressed week ;-p
As for Tues to Fri, they're pretty much always on anyway.
But... I have just received a 1w cherrybomb through the post from TBC...Mwahahahahahaha.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Cycling to work on Saturday morning the owners of this
had decided to put the clock back for the weekend
thought I had left an hour early!Posted 13 years ago # -
Again.
Posted 5 years ago # -
Summer
Apparently
Posted 4 years ago # -
Now begins the week where I sleep in every single morning...
Posted 4 years ago # -
I was trying to figure out why I sleeped so late this morning
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Posted 3 years ago #
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What is the financial impact on farmers if we stop this nonsense?
Basically my kids have been miserable based on thrown out day, and it'll take most of the week to sort themselves out. Result of this for toddlers is more waking up at night and likely I'll need to resettle. This will make me more tired, and then I'll be worse at work.
Call the decrease in efficiency about 20%. So call that a single sick day equivalent this week (not to mention the Quality of life adjustment that needs to go with this but we'll ignore that for now).
So 8 million households with dependant kids. Suggest that we are generous and assume that the average number of children is 1.8 because I am sure I read this somewhere.
IF we only count impact for parents with children between ages of 0-5, accounting for a younger sibling who is heavily impacted gives us 2 million households who are impacted with the equivalent of one additional sick day twice a year.
Lets assume that 1.5 of the total parents are in the workforce, and for the sake of argument (because the impact on a single parent household would be the same if not higher) I'm assuming everyone is living with a partner so 4 million people. This gives us 2.6m people impacted.
Current employed population of the UK is 24.3 million people. So this is roughly 10% of the working population.
Currently sick days cost the UK economy at an average of 2.7 sick days per person 77bn a year. So thats 28.5bn per sick day for 24.3m people 2.85bn twice a year for our population. That's £5.7bn.
Agriculture contributed £10bn or 0.53% to the national economy (Gross Value Added). But daylight savings knocks off 50% of that.*
Daylight savings is a menace to our economy and has to be stopped.
*These numbers are what we call BOE (back of envelope) and should be thoroughly vetted before being used to start a political campaign.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Also please add to this campaign that in 1984 I was at the Ayr Pavilion on the last Saturday in a March. The club was open until 1a.m. But they shut it at 12. Midnight as they put the clocks forward at midnight. When we complained. They said we could have the extra hour back in the subsequent October when the clocks went back again BUT on requesting this I. The October we were denied. This is a clear miscarriage of justice.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Why does agriculture care? They are free to work whatever hours they need.
Gembo, I've come across venues in the autumn who ring last orders and then remain open for another hour and a quarter.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Why does agriculture care? They are free to work whatever hours they need.
Farmers don't live in a bubble, of course. They still need to fit their lives into everything else going on in society - delivery and pick up of all kinds of things, appointments with bank managers and pesticide salespeople and vets, weather forecasts at particular times, shop opening hours, etc., etc.
Posted 3 years ago # -
@acsimpson in a few quick googles last night it would seem that a majority of farmers surveyed by the NFU do not care at all. In fact many said that lighter evenings all year round would be beneficial to the type of farming they are involved in.
From what I could gather in the press the main reason we still do it is because Europe wanted to stop doing it and we would not do something that Europe wanted to do because that would mean we're "literally letting Europe control time" (paraphrase from a Tory MP), ignoring of course that by changing close twice a year we're doing that ourselves...
Posted 3 years ago # -
Main thing for me is its light enough in the morning December and January for the kids walking to school. Might be easier to shift school hours during the winter term.
I never really believed it was for the farmers tbh.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Think it is pitch black in Shetland until about noon in December
Posted 3 years ago # -
@arobcomp are you advocating against summer time? or about keeping summer time all year round?
I'm always puzzled that the people who complain the most about the clocks changes, assume that 'summer time' is normal. ie we abandon GMT?
which seems a bit radical.
(but yeah, we were also a bit off yesterday and today)
Posted 3 years ago # -
"literally letting Europe control time"
Big No No. The only being that does that is The Doctor.
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P.S.:- Atrocious driving in that video. Don't do this at home, kids! Stay safely behind the sofa at all times.
Posted 3 years ago # -
summer time for seven months , winter time or daylight saving time for five months.
Posted 3 years ago #
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