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Riding without lights

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  • Started 13 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
  • Latest reply from Uberuce

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  1. DaveC
    Member

    Did you not point out it was illegal to have a rear white light displayed?

    As for Kaputnik, anyone swerving into me lit or not gets shoved to the floor, in the road or not. There is no excuse for not being considerate to others. Any complaints met with "report my number plate" (obviously on my bike)

    I saw a girl on a bike cycling on the pavement along Princes St this morning as I slowly cycled up on the road way reserved for deliveries and emergency vehs... I pointed at her and shouted 'You should be on the road!'

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  2. crowriver
    Member

    anyone swerving into me lit or not gets shoved to the floor, in the road or not.

    Crikey, hope I don't cross DaveC's path this winter!

    I'm also frustrated by the assorted bike ninjas/pavement hoppers/RLJers. Mostly encounter them on the East end of Princes Street at the moment, or in the vicinity of the Meadows. Mostly quite young people. Students?

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  3. Bigjack
    Member

    Like everyone else I'm still astounded by the number of cyclists riding along in the dark with no lights.I could understand in the days of NeverReady S***trider lights which weighed a ton and had awful copper contact switches which failed through road vibration and the batteries didn't last long, but now with very cheap and long-lasting LED technology, why are there so many numpties going around without lights? A major bugbear is that the media and shops push helmets so much that a fair number of those riding without lights but do wear helmets.They clearly have got a bit mixed up with the law which does require you to have front and rear light while cycling in the dark but the helmet is not legally required!
    Last night at around 5pm a guy came whizzing down the Innocent path in the pitch darkness with no lights- don't know how he could even see where he was going.
    Some of the super bright ,off-road mountain biking lights are far too bright for use on paths such as the canal towpath, especially the head-mounted ones which point straight into your eyes as you approach, almost blinding-similar to cars approaching with full beam on!

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  4. kaputnik
    Moderator


    Do it with the LIGHTS on by kaputniq

    I did this last year then realise it was the wrong time of year for it to be pertinent.

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  5. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I want to laminate a printed copy of that one and post it up at my work!

    I'm also still tempted (damp weather alas) to go guerilla retroreflectiving the bollards and gates along the canal so that they actually show up in cyclists' headlights.

    And while we're at it, it'd be nice if people walking along the canal or crossing the road actually had anything reflective on them instead of wearing special clothing that absorbs every single photon.

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  6. custard
    Member

    well I was out for a blast this morning
    coming along The Innocent Path I stopped at the road crossing on Duddingston Road West to check I had my phone.
    As I was looking I saw a ninja cyclist in all dark clothes come off the pavement and cross the road over to the path that goes to the Peffermill business park/Pefermill Road.
    shook my head and just as I was closing the bag I heard he sound of a bike crash.
    went along just in time to see the guy cycling off so I assume he was fine.
    wonder If he will thing about some lights now

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  7. splitshift
    Member

    lights, ah ! the old ever ready were fun, but I remember metal cased ones, grey mild steel with a huge black plastic ( bakolite ? )rotary switch on top ! the light was poor and the overall distance you could travel was somewhat diminished cause the extra weight you had to carry was prohibitive !Batteries used to last about 4 minutes nad parents were badgered into spending a weeks wage on new batts, no rechargables then !Dynamos were for the posh, but they cut through tyre sidewalls !I remember the first dynamo that came with a capacitance type charge discharge system whereby the light remained illuminated for a SHORT time while at rest ! Last nigt, driving through Aberdeen, i saw a cyclist , from about 3 miles away, he had a solid red rear, a flashing red rear, both bike mounted, a helmet red, and six flashing led type on his /her rucksack ,as i passed him i saw a very bright, almost pulsating, but not flashing white front !Brilliant ! ( no pun intended ! )This was on the cycle track next to a very busy A90 just above portlethan, for any who know it, its not a road i would like to use in the dark !
    be safe , Scott.

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  8. wonder If he will thing about some lights now

    Guess it depends on if he links the crash with not having lights.

    I've gone the other way, found a cheapo Cateye last night which is now on the bars so if I don't notice the batteries die on the main light I've still got something on there to be seen by.

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  9. Smudge
    Member

    I've been using the folder quite a lot because of my new timings but the seatpost is a rather chunky 35mm (v approx, measured in the shadows with a desk ruler!) and none of my rear light brackets fit it.
    I've been using a cherry bomb clipped to the daysack but I prefer to have a fixed light on the bike, anyone know of a rear led with a bigger bracket or do I need to homebrew?

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  10. DaveC
    Member

    Cycling home on Monday eve through a dark tree lined track which connects Dalmeny to S Queensferry, I was perplexed by a 2 - 3 cyclist's light dodging about all over the place with a red cyclists light leaving in a straight line. It turned out to be 3 dogs lit up with flashing white collars exploring the woods and ditches along the path following their mum with a red flashing arm band :-). But for a minute I couldn't understand what was going on and slowed right down to avoid the trick cyclists.....

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  11. Having a similar problem Smudge. I've got the loop on the Carradice to attach to, but depending on how full or not the bag is the lights can point too downwards for my liking. Trying to work out something else sticking up from the QR mount for the bag.

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  12. DaveC
    Member

    I have a couple of these to attach my lights to. They are quite adjustable and very much like a Jubilee ring.

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  13. Smudge
    Member

    That could be the answer Dave, though I may just create something to connect the admirably eyecatching (and suitably annoying!) 1w cherry bomb :)
    Thanks for the options!

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  14. steveo
    Member

    On the road bike i've got a homebrew attached to the seat stay and the mountain bike (had) a smart light on the same stay. Plus the light in the carradice, though I've found that the carradice loop is only really effective with very diffuse lights.

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  15. Uberuce
    Member

    I confess to having pretty poor lights. I've seen worse, but mostly see better.

    I saw a chap this morning with two tiny wee red blinkies on the ends of his drop bars. He evidentally knew they were hopeless for visibility since he had a beefier main rear light, but they looked ace.

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  16. crowriver
    Member

    Currently I use some very portable led battery lights and swap them between bikes. I use this bright Raleigh light just clipped onto the led mount on my right side pannier. Up front I have this tiny but bright Topeak light, which fixes by a kind of clever rubber band to the handlebars. No good for countryside or off-road, but then a head torch does that. Fine for city riding though, announces you're there.

    However on the folder I'm considering trying out a bottle dynamo setup. Have ordered a cheap (Chinese) set of old school dynamo lights and will see how I get on. Will certainly save on batteries if it works out.

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  17. chdot
    Admin

    More free lights -

    "Middle Meadow Walk on 2, 9, 16 and 23 November between 4pm-7pm."

    http://lothianbuses.com/news/2-general-news/883-we-are-helping-cyclists-stay-safe-this-winter.html

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  18. SRD
    Moderator

    I bought a set of these on ebay more or less on impulse* the other day when I thought I'd lost my extra front light. Figured I can't lose at that price?

    (*wasn't even searching lights, it just popped up as an advert...bad!)

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  19. spitters
    Member

    I've been cycling the water of Leith path in the dark at slower speed and even with the combined twin spots of the Electrons I picked up half price last year on chainreactioncycles.com and the cateye on full beam people walking dogs still seems to absorb every photon (like that phrase)
    also got two white lights and three red simple LED flashers on the h****t that were £4 a pair in Tesco on the premise that I can look into a van/truck wing mirror with these on and also when looking elft and right at a T junction traffic from both sides will see these above the parked cars.
    One time last winter behind the wheel of my car the ONLY reason I saw a cyclist at the T junction on Viewforth/Horne Ter was the h****t lights he had. So my best tip for riding in the dark - strap some lights to yir heid!
    My Tail light the Smart dual LED tested visible from one side of Harrison Park to the other - it says a Mile but in town the more red lights there are the less likely you are to see a small bike light from a car seat. In fact if it is on solid mode I reckon it can be mistaken for another car brake light further down the road (invoke Father Ted - "small - far away"...) so I set these to the mental strobe/random/epilepsy inducing crazy mode.

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  20. Last night I arrived at the head of a queue alongside a cyclist who looked like he knew what he was doing. And he did have a front light, but he also had a large bar-bag which completely obscured the light anywhere to the right (looking at him head on) of straight ahead. I should probably have pointed this out to him, but he looked serious and I couldn't be bothered with being told to mind my own business...

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  21. spitters
    Member

    I would have just said "you know I can't see you light from X position right? Just sayin'" and left it at that

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  22. wingpig
    Member

    I'm nervous about speaking to people I know well so haven't yet brought up anyone's illumination with them. Didn't see any other cyclists round the hill last night but everyone pootling along the pavement in Restalrig had at least one light in each direction. The two tubes slaloming east along the Cowgate (with frequent hops onto and off the footpath) yesterday evening had one rear between them, which was at least attached to the one who was pretending to stop at pedestrian crossings.

    I currently have EL500 and EL510 on the bars on constant, an Electron front-facing blinky on the bars, a TL-AU100BS (shortly to be joined by a second) attached to a bit of plastic pipe attached to the rack at top-of-seat-tube height, the remnants of a TL-LD170 on the back of the saddle (which will get an improved omnidirectional reflector added to it sometime soon), a 0.5W 2010 Cherry Bomb on the hat's occipital protrusion (in disco mode) and a Revolution USB-charged red silicon thing at the front of the helmet, on whichever mode seems appropriate. (Very pleased with that so far - good for death-ray-"yes, Mr Beemer, I'm looking at YOU" and other head-gestures as well as illuminating the path in front. I get the feeling if it was attached to the bars that it would quickly end up pointing downwards but (after poking a hole in the insect-mesh covering a vent) it fits in just the right place to be pointing in the right direction when my head is in its normal position. Unfortunately the rear variant looks to have a really flimsy strap so I didn't get one of them.)

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  23. 14Westfield
    Member

    i love the look of these lights http://revolights.com
    and would get a set when/if they are released in the UK.
    I'm mot overly convinced of the head/tail light but side on is a terrific - and anything bolted to the wheel rim is beyond your average thief so can be left in place.

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  24. DaveC
    Member

    @14Westfeild, Blimey, they are ace. I wants some NOW!!! Might get a mate in the US to send me a pair...

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  25. I think I'm gonna get one of these for my rear wheel - see what it's like...

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  26. spitters
    Member

    @anth :o
    @14Westfield :O

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  27. @anth £50
    @14Westfield $220

    ;)

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  28. 14Westfield
    Member

    Yeah they definetly need to ship the wheel lights to china and have them produced far, far cheaper!

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  29. crowriver
    Member

    @anth, bit too bling-bling, I reckon. It'll be like Xmas, Hogmanay, Bonfire Night and the Rio carnival all rolled into one when you head home to Chez Anth of an evening.

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  30. Got one for the rear wheel - it'll be interesting to see how it works, should arrive tomorrow. Got it mainly because I've wanted something like it for a couple of years now. Has the fun factor. :)

    The Revolight looks like it'll end up a better product, but sounds like everything is going into development, so not sure when it'll be available. MonkeyLights are releasing a 'mini' version which only creates patterns for about 2-3 inches from the rim - cheaper, and less bling?

    I'll try and put a video/photos on here tomorrow night if it arrives.

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