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  1. Morningsider
    Member

    A highlight from the listed building consent report to councillors on the Development Management Sub-Committee, produced by Council planners:

    "There will be no adverse effect on the character of the listed buildings or their setting"

    And from the planning application report, also produced by planners:

    "The most significant disbenefit is to the setting of the listed buildings and the damage to the historic asset. The disbenefit on the historic place and the woodland are also significant, however, mitigation measures will reduce this impact."

    Also - a nice little public subsidy for the developers, this from the planning report:

    "It is therefore reasonable to say that the accepted development appraisal assumes a level of subsidy at £500,000 from Historic Scotland and £1,175,000 from the City of Edinburgh Council through the relaxation of the affordable housing provision on the basis of an enabling case."

    Also, the planners have knocked back their own transport colleagues' request that the developers fund upgraded bus and active travel infrastructure, stating:

    "Transport has also requested that the developer pay a
    sum of money to provide an alternative turning facility for buses. They have also requested that a contribution to Safer Routes to School be paid. It is not accepted that these monies are necessary as a result of the proposed enabling development."

    These are truly bizarre reports. They spend most of the time outlining how the proposals contravene almost every possible planning policy and then recommend approval on the grounds that the proposed development is necessary to save the listed buildings. This just isn't the case. The financial assumptions behind this (despite being audited by "independent consultants") are simply wrong. The anticipated sale price of the converted properties has been artificially depressed to maximise the amount of new-build allowed (which has bigger, fatter profits).

    The proposed conditions are beyond feeble. Re-development of the existing buildings by particular dates should be a requirement. Failure to do so will result in the developer building all the new-build first and then either scarpering or making minimal efforts on those expensive conversions - see Quartermile for details.

    The planners who produced these should hang their heads in shame.

    You can find both reports at:

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/3489/development_management_sub-committee

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. Snowy
    Member

    Sounds like we'll be able to spot a few nice new cars in the planning dept's car park.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. Snowy
    Member

  4. fimm
    Member

    Oh, no.
    Is there anything "we" can do, now?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. SRD
    Moderator

    see also: "The flood report recently released from the Council’s Flood Prevention Unit shows that – despite three years of work – the Craighouse Partnership have failed to solve any of the substantial flooding problems that will be created by this development."

    http://friendsofcraighouse.com/2014/08/24/flood-report-disappointed-as-craighouse-partnership-fail-to-sort-flooding-issues/

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    From that site -

    "

    Come to decision by councilors: 3rd September On the 3rd September 2014, the councilors make their decision in front of the public. Come along.

    http://friendsofcraighouse.com/2014/08/17/come-to-the-craighouse-planning-hearing-september-3rd

    The official objection period has closed, but that doesn't stop you emailing councilors, including the planning committee, directly.

    "

    http://www.friendsofcraighouse.com

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. Morningsider
    Member

    fimm - not really. You could lobby your councillor, particularly if they are a member of the development management sub-committee.

    However, any councillor wanting to vote on this decision cannot express a view on it prior to the meeting at which it is considered.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

    from their FB page:

    Just to let you know - the planners' report is recommending that the application be granted. This is shameful in light of the huge numbers of protections and policies this application smashes through and the fact there is no proper enabling case, the financials are unconvincing and there aren't any proper planning reasons to justify approval.Not to mention what the flood report and roads experts said. It is very important that people now write directly to the Planning Committee as you cannot rely on being properly represented by the planners' report. Many of the Councillors may be unfamiliar with the site and the issues beyond what the planners chose to highlight. Please share the post below with the planning committee emails on and ask people to write in. The Councillors need to know the public cares about this site - and indeed this city. If this is how one of the most protected sites in the city is treated, what happens to our other special sites?

    The hearing is on Wed 3rd where the Councillors on the planning committee decide whether to approve or turn down this planning application - not the planning department. This application is so bad and so contrary to policy that there is still a very good chance of it being turned down. So keep writing and keep sharing! Doesn't have to be really long. Thanks so much!

    Ian Perry, Convener ian.perry@edinburgh.gov.uk Southside/Newington Lab

    Sandy Howat, Vice Convener sandy.howat@edinburgh.gov.uk Meadows/
    Morningside SNP

    Nigel Bagshaw nigel.bagshaw@edinburgh.gov.uk Inverleith Scottish Green

    Angela Blacklock angela.blacklock@edinburgh.gov.uk Leith Walk Lab

    Deidre Brock deidre.brock@edinburgh.gov.uk Leith Walk SNP

    Ronald Cairns ronald.cairns@edinburgh.gov.uk Drum Brae/Gyle SNP

    Maureen Child maureen.child@edinburgh.gov.uk Portobello/Craigmillar Lab

    Denis Dixon denis.dixon@edinburgh.gov.uk Sighthill/Gorgie SNP

    Dominic Heslop dominic.heslop@edinburgh.gov.uk Pentland Hills Con

    Adam McVey adam.mcvey@edinburgh.gov.uk Leith SNP

    Eric Milligan eric.milligan@edinburgh.gov.uk Sighthill/Gorgie Lab

    Joanna Mowat joanna.mowat@edinburgh.gov.uk City Centre Con

    Keith Robson keith.robson@edinburgh.gov.uk Liberton/Gilmerton Lab

    Cameron Rose cameron.rose@edinburgh.gov.uk Southside/Newington Con

    Frank Ross frank.ross@edinburgh.gov.uk Corstorphine/Murrayfield SNP

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

  10. Chug
    Member

    Existing walking and cycling facilities within the vicinity of the site are of a high standard Sadly, I did chuckle at this point.

    If it means Craighouse Road/Myreside Road to the north, and the narrow advisory bike lanes on the steep part of the hill, ending in a pinch point, there is a lot of learning to be done.

    If it means Craighouse Gardens/Balcarres St to the east, the parking and speed of traffic along there qualifies it as scary, rather than high standard.

    If it means the approach from the south, along Morningside Gardens, up the really steep and fast (cars) hill from the Merchant's Golf Club roundabout, then we might as well give up now.

    :-(

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. Morningsider
    Member

    Here's what I'm sending to the Councillors. I hope some of you will take the chance to email them as well:

    Please can I urge you to reject the applications for planning permission and listed building consent for the proposed Craighouse development (12/04007/SCH3). I appreciate that planning officials have recommended that this application is approved. However, there are ample grounds on which to refuse permission. I have summarised some of these below:

    1. It is contrary to the spatial strategy set out in the Strategic Development Plan and policy 1B.
    2. It is contrary to Edinburgh City Local Plan policies Des 1, Des 10, Env 3, Env 6, Env 11, Env 12, Env 15, Env 16 and Os 1.
    3. It is contrary to Local Transport Strategy 2014-2019 policies aimed at increasing modal share for active and sustainable travel
    4. The new-build elements of the proposal do not meet the definition of enabling development
    5. The projected sale price of the flats in the current listed buildings have been artificially depressed to increase the amount of new-build development that is allowed as enabling development
    6. The development does not include any affordable housing, or provision for a contribution to off-site affordable housing
    7. There are no material considerations which indicate that the development should be approved contrary to the numerous development plan policies which require its refusal.

    Any decision to refuse permission must be made on planning grounds. However, these technical reasons don’t get to the heart of why this proposal must be refused.

    This application would impose a group of hulking office-style blocks amongst a collection of historic buildings that have been given the country’s highest levels of protection.

    These large, uninspiring new buildings are located on one of Edinburgh’s seven hills, visible from many parts of the city. What does it say about us if these are granted permission? Is this really the best we can do? Is the city really so desperate for flats costing over half a million pounds that we will say yes to development on one of our most cherished and protected areas?

    If we must allow new development here, and it is by no means necessary, then we should insist on the absolute best. This is not the best, it’s not even decent.

    Calton Hill already has its disgrace. Please don’t grant permission for another on Craiglockhart Hill.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "
    The letters of objection include letters from: Ian Murray MP, Jim Eadie and Alison Johnston MSPs, Councillors Andrew Burns, Melanie Main, Gavin Corbett and David Key.

    "

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/44405/item_no_31a_-_napier_university_craighouse_campus_craighouse_road_edinburgh_–_proposed_change_of_use_conversion_of_existing_buildings_from_university_campus_to_residential_-application_no_1204007sch3

    I think AB plans to speak.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. fimm
    Member

    I've emailed councillors Milligan and Dixon, as I'm in the Sighthill/Gorgie ward.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. SRD
    Moderator

    I've emailed Child, Mowat and Mcvey, who I know somewhat (ie mostly off twitter).

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Ally Tibbitt (@allytibbitt)
    03/09/2014 09:46
    Here’s the agenda for #Craighouse. Don’t expect a decision until 4.30pm!

    http://pic.twitter.com/pQIGvWxvvx

    "

    "
    Evening News (@edinburghpaper)
    03/09/2014 09:29
    Big day for #Craighouse campaigners - our reporter @LizzyBuchan will be tweeting updates from today's vital council meeting.

    "

    "

    Edinburgh Council (@Edinburgh_CC)
    03/09/2014 09:42
    You can watch councillors consider the Craighouse planning application live at 10am on our #edinwebcast.

    http://bit.ly/R1yHUH #craighouse

    "

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Lizzy Buchan (@LizzyBuchan)
    03/09/2014 10:04
    Councillors have adjourned the meeting for 30 mins to discuss an urgent matter in private. #Craighouse

    "

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    Ooh time to spot CCEers

    "

    Gavin Corbett (@gavincorbett)
    03/09/2014 09:41
    Great showing from @SaveCraighouse for #craighouse plan hearing today with @melaniemain & @AlisonJohnstone

    http://pic.twitter.com/XJ52hSIQF4

    "

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

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    Ally Tibbitt (@allytibbitt)
    03/09/2014 10:37
    Council officials accept that the #craighouse developers will make an estimated 18% profit on the scheme if it gets the go-ahead.

    "

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    Lizzy Buchan (@LizzyBuchan)
    03/09/2014 10:43
    The #Craighouse plans have received 1,139 letters of objection and 14 in support

    "

    Lota nimbies!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. Morningsider
    Member

    Ha - I've looked over the numbers. The developers would make far more than 18% profit - the figures used have been artificially depressed and don't accurately reflect true market values.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Ally Tibbitt (@allytibbitt)
    03/09/2014 10:47
    Politicians objecting to #Craighouse include @IanMurrayMP , council leader @AndrewDBurns , @PaulGodzik @JimEadie_msp and @AlisonJohnstone

    "

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    "the figures used have been artificially depressed and don't accurately reflect true market values"

    Interesting.

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    AHSS (@theAHSS)
    03/09/2014 10:51
    #craighouse proposals contravene multiple local policies but new build would provide the developer with 18% profit & save the heritage asset

    "

    Which implies that 18% only refers to new build(?)

    (AHSS are objectors - so don't if that is their 'view' or party quoting developer.)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. fimm
    Member

    Lots of "not in this particular piece of my back yard" or "not in this particular way in my back yard".

    Please don't assume all the objectors don't want to see anything built anywhere ever.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    "Please don't assume all the objectors don't want to see anything built anywhere ever."

    I don't.

    SO many reasons to object to current proposals.

    One problem is that the planning process - more or less - only allows objections on 'technicalities' (OK so contravening a long list of council policies isn't quite 'technicalities'!)

    In addition to the 'legitimate' objections, I would question the credibility of the current developer/proposer, the way planning officials seem to be going out of their way to get approval for this project.

    My main objection (if this were approved) is the precedent/message sent to developers - keep trying, a little modification here or there, don't worry about existing guidelines and policies.

    Oh, but they know that already.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    "

    AHSS (@theAHSS)
    03/09/2014 11:13
    #craighouse appears to be the first time @planningedin has dealt with a case involving enabling development on this scale.

    "

    Scary if true!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Ally Tibbitt (@allytibbitt)
    03/09/2014 11:04
    Folk in gallery muttering "that's ridiculous" when it emerges that much of #craighouse options studies were paid for by developer.

    "

    This is how it works.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

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    AHSS (@theAHSS)
    03/09/2014 11:15
    #craighouse is certainly the first time Edinburgh councillors have had to grapple with enabling development.

    "

    Mmm

    Posted 9 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Patrick Jack (@pdjack16)
    03/09/2014 11:19
    Edinburgh council officials struggling to answer questions in breaching of planning policy for enabling development case. #craighouse

    "

    Posted 9 years ago #
  28. Morningsider
    Member

    chdot - I think the 18% figure is for the entire site, the profit for the new build is substantially higher than 18%, as the profit from converting the existing buildings is estimated at around 4%.

    Personally, I dispute these figures from the developer - as the sale price for the flats in the current listed buildings are far lower (more than £100 per square foot lower) than those in comparable sites such as Quartermile.

    The developer is trying to bamboozle the Council. The developer claims that the sale price of flats in the current buildings would be too low to make a decent profit, so lots of juicy enabling development is required to "save" the listed buildings. New build on a site like this can provide enormous profits.

    I think that the current buildings could be converted and a decent profit made from that, based on sale prices for roughly comparable sites.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    Andrew Burns on 'TV' now.

    http://www.edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/145532

    Then Rosy Barnes.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  30. Morningsider
    Member

    The developers keep chuntering on about the development guaranteeing access rights to the site - odd, given that these are already guaranteed by Section 1 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003.

    Posted 9 years ago #

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