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Oh, Friends Of The Earth estimate around 350 people turned up to the protest, which sounds about right, it was quite a big crowd.
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http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=4#post-52603
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Active Transport Budget Protest
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Posted 11 years ago #
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@Fimm
You make a good point. There is the cycle journey to the event that justifies what people wear. (I always cycle in my jeans in town =)
Removing hi-vis bibs is quite easy, anything more is inconvenient true. I'd argue that panniers or rucksack is quite normal.
I like Ghandi's quote “Be the change you want to see in the world.” So the Dutch norm seems a good thing to aim for. (Not always practical in the UK I know)
I guess the ideal is for a picture to say "oh there's some people wanting better roads" instead of "oh that's a bunch of cyclists". Its not something to impose on people but I thought its worth thinking about it. So thanks for sharing your views.
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@ I
I think you meant @ Focus ;-)
But you're welcome for the views. I'll give you the rucksack/backpack, but whilst panniers are "normal" for cyclists" they are (very obviously) almost entirely cycle-specific, unless perhaps you are a pony express riders in a timewarp from the 19th century! ;-) It was just my (only semi-serious) way of saying it's tricky to be totally "normal" (i.e. non -cyclist) on a bicycle! :-D
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- In a culture which accepts hi-viz wearing as normal and desirable, what is the effect on the safety and well-being of cyclists and pedestrians generally?"
http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11513
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Interesting how some people can look at a photograph and see only hi-viz and helmets. When I look at the photograph I can see that hardly anyone is wearing either. Does this prove cyclists are much more visible if they wear them?
I like Ghandi's quote “Be the change you want to see in the world.” So the Dutch norm seems a good thing to aim for.
Unfortunately we do not live the in Netherlands, we live in a country that is full of driver who "didn't see" us and with a justice system that lays all the blame on the victim. People are just trying to stay alive. I don't think there is any need to condemn them for doing so. IMO.
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FimmFocus (facepalm, sorry)I think it boils down to what you should wear when making a political point by turning up to these events. For me, that would be what you'd wear in an Dutch environment. Thats an ethical dilemma, should you show your true selves or show an ideal?
Meanwhile back in the real world UK, I go by my wits, hi-vis and helmet cam. I sympathise Min =)
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No cyclist, whatever they are wearing, is any part of the problem.
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Yeah, I can see these two are part of the solution:
(Hi viz/reflective but NOT WEARING HIS HELMET SHOCK)
(Helmet, hi-viz trouser clips, "Er.....how does this thing go again?")
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They both look pretty safe to me. Definitely part of the solution.
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I was thinking more of their policies than their personal safety awareness. What are they doing in their jobs to resolve the problems cycling faces?
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Your photos crowriver were funny - I hadn't thought of it from that point of view at all.
I meant they represent two less cars. I feel we shouldn't denigrate cyclists who wear lycra, helmets, hi-vis etc. because every cyclist is less of a danger to me on the roads than every driver.
Posted 11 years ago # -
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@SustransScot: 2 days to go til @scccoalition’s #wanttoseedouble deadline. Ask @johnswinney to double the cycling and walking budget"
Posted 10 years ago # -
It's official: Keith Brown lied when he claimed to have arrived by train at work on the day of the protest on 11 January 2012. He even took the limo back from work.
From the ministerial car journeys information on Keith Brown:
11-Jan-12
Personal Address Parliament
Parliament Personal AddressPosted 10 years ago # -
In fairness to Keith Brown, I have discovered he did actually get on a train on 11 January 2012, between Edinburgh and Glasgow (the only train he caught all month). So, in a technical sense he may have been truthful, although he definitely arrived at work that morning by limo. Let's say he opted out of "full disclosure" or was selective about the facts.
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