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"Battle of Caltongate on the cards over new £300m plan"

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  1. kaputnik
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    Professor Richard Williams, of the History of Art department, said that nothing of any significance has been built in Scotland’s capital since the mid-19th century

    DoCoMoMo at least disagrees.

    Given that so much of the tenemented part of Edinburgh is post mid-19th century I do wonder how familiar he really is with the place and its buildings. Or maybe he's just one of these people who doesn't think anything good has happened anywhere in the world since the mid-19th century. Or perhaps he's made the mistake of speaking to the chipwrapper who've taken what he's said completely out of context and reported it in such a manner as to significantly change what he was saying.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    here's one of the pieces http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/features/culture/edinburghs-arrested-development/2011724.article

    I'd read it a few days ago. thought it was definitely better than the last piece, but that's not saying much

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Or maybe he is a controversialist.

    CCE has one or two of them...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. cb
    Member

    That DoCoMoMO list is only post war (ironic given Prof Williams war trauma comment).

    It does include,

    "Cumbernauld Town Centre" ("Partly demolished")
    and
    "Glasgow Inner Ring Road"

    Of the 60 in the list 13 have been demolished or are in the process of being demolished.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    prof Richard Williams is often trying to get his name highlighted (mentchie) by being a controversialist

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

  7. chdot
    Admin

    "

    One has no great hopes of the wisdom of any urban planning department, but of all the hare-brained decisions, Edinburgh City Council’s vote to press the green light on the development of a long-vacant five-acre site in North Canongate, between the Royal Mile, Holyrood Palace and Calton Hill, must rank among the most lazy, craven and myopic I have ever encountered.

    ...

    Edinburgh, one can only conclude, is at risk of losing not only its dignity but its soul.

    "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/architecture/10730154/Saving-the-soul-of-Edinburgh-its-not-too-late.html

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    The vaults which are part of this development of the derelict site are having a pop up festival maybe this week or next week? They stretch under Jeffrey st from east market st. Bike station still seem to have bikes in a couple of them from time to time.

    Council is desperate for cash and rejuvenation so selling this site for a few jobs in shops and a hotel to a South African company who will be the ones making the money still seems attractive in a way that it would not have done previously?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I did mean to go see the vaults thing, but it slipped my mind. It was this weekend and I think through this week also.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Planning 'champions' should be appointed in every community in the country to fight unsightly unpopular developments, a Government report says today.

    Planning 'champions' should be appointed in every community in the country to oppose unsightly unpopular developments, an independent report for the Government says today.

    The 200-page review by leading architect Sir Terry Farrell said every council should nominate a “civic champion” to “improve design quality”.

    "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10733204/Planning-champions-for-every-area-of-country-to-fight-unsightly-developments.html

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Some might content that Sir Terry had been responsible for many "unsightly" developments of his own (regardless of the actual design quality).

    By which I mean the MI6 Building, Charring Cross station... The EICC?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "Some might content that Sir Terry had been responsible for many "unsightly" developments of his own"

    Indeed

    Some things change, some remain the same.

    (ThisISedinburgh)

    "

    The house, which, by legend, is said to have been built from stone from every part of Scotland, will fall to a lament. Mr Patrick Murray, curator of the Museum of Childhood, told "The Scotsman" that he regarded it as a test case in the fight to preserve the more recent historic buildings.
    " We have thrown away the buildings of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries," he said " Younger people will look for Victorian buildings to preserve." Mr Murray said that America was more conscious of the need to preserve her Victorian landmarks than was Britain. He suggested that in Edinburgh town councillors and younger members of the learned professions should co-operate to try to form an organisation which would decide on buildings which should be preserved, and also attempt to find organisations willing to take them over.


    Rockville_0001 by 4buttongnome, on Flickr

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. chdot
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  14. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Preparatory work has been going on for months...

    New Waverley is a silly name.

    Caltongate was OK, as it was a portmanteau of the 2 roads which define the N and S boundary. I guess it became discredited.

    The old name of this area was North Back of Canongate, or just "North Back".

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. Min
    Member

    As a newly minted fan of Walter Scott, I suggest "Osbaldistone".

    (we should be grateful he wrote Waverley first and not Rob Roy)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. wingpig
    Member

    Suppose it's also affected by the mediatrope of scandalisation-through-suffixion-of-'gate', as well as being a naturally-occurring actual scandal. Easter Abbeyhill? Norther Dumbiedykes? Caltonside?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. kaputnik
    Moderator

    "The Unnecessary Quarter"

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    My wife calls Holyrood Road Back Canongate but I don't see why, since I've never heard anyone else use that name, it couldn't be transferred to the other side of the Canongate.

    Why not celebrate Hogg's antihero Robert Wringhim and call the area Gilmartin Gate.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    according to Naomi the woman in the sweetie shop (not hugely reliable narrator but good stories and treeeemendous sweeties - rhubarb rock and now coulters candy - which is just hard treacle toffee but delicious) the rats left the hangar in droves two nights back,also claims some squirrels ran into Waverley Court . The hangar was across the road from waverly court before the Ventchie but the hangar is going, going gone quite quickly in the last two days.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    "

    The developers behind the Caltongate scheme, now rebranded as New Waverley after the site was bought up by a South African real estate consortium, were criticised for failing to respect the “mythology” of the Old Town and the significance of historic buildings, saying that simply preserving their facades was “totally inappropriate” for a world heritage site.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/what-s-on/calls-to-protect-edinburgh-world-heritage-site-1-3960997

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. PS
    Member

    were criticised for failing to respect the “mythology” of the Old Town

    Strange choice of words. Suggests a preference for twee pastiche?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "Strange choice of words."

    Yes

    "Suggests a preference for twee pastiche?"

    Don't think so. From same sentence -

    "

    simply preserving their facades was “totally inappropriate” for a world heritage site

    "

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    Quite scuzzy bit of the Royal mile. The sailor's ark. The jumper factory (closed for many years). The canon gate ventchie also closed for many years. The premier inn looks to be getting three pyramids of a miniature nature on the roof of its function suite, the little shops in the cellars under Jeffrey street looking good.

    So I weigh up the developments / improvements against world heritage. And I still err on the side with development. Sorry if that sounds utilitarian or crass.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    I'm quite enjoying the new cut-through at the Caltongate (or whatever it's called now) development at the east end of Market Street.

    Not the cyclist-only on-road bit on New Street, though that is actually working pretty well. I'm referring to the new pedestrianised courtyard/plaza paved are opposite the end of Market Street. Makes a brilliant cut-through: just cycle to the big arch, dismount and cross on the spiffing new zebra crossing, then the smaller arch opposite gives access to St John Street, and thence to Holyrood Road and beyond. I'm finding it a very agreeable way to get to/from city centre, Royal Mile, southside, and Abbeyhill (via Holyrood Park).

    Posted 3 months ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    Yes using that a lot @crowriver, noted that the street food shacks are bringing down their prices

    Posted 3 months ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    "the street food shacks are bringing down their prices"

    Aye was *almost* tempted to stop today, weather was so pleasant. Presume will be busier as tourist season takes off...

    Posted 3 months ago #

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