I don't know how many of you have seen this blog post Advanced Stop Lines: The Spawn of Satan? But I am sure most will have a view on it one way or the other, so what do you think?
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Advanced Stop Lines: The Spawn of Satan? Discuss
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Posted 13 years ago #
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Spawn of Satan: No
Requiring thought to use (or not use) properly: Yes.I do like the flowcharts for the difference between experienced and inexperienced cyclists.
Posted 13 years ago # -
The flowchart matches mine, and like the author I use the ASZ less often than I take primary in the queue.
I'd not like to see them go because they're so good for flagging people as Drivers To Avoid. When you see someone who's SO IMPORTANT that he or she can't possibly be expected to wait for Tolstoyian lengths of time it takes to traverse an ASZ, then you know that you'll have to take a firm primary and othersuch worst assumptions.
*punts self in head* Should have thought of this for TTPCDKTHTTY(me)
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Uberuce - ditto, without actually thinking too deeply about it, instinctively many of us probably do that - I still get it wrong now and again, but taking a really strong primary helps - hogging the gutter is absolutely no use.
So, when suitable, I use the ASL - but have seen me avoid it if I dont trust the driver in position 1.
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I don't do anything in an advance stop zone that I wouldn't do where there isn't one. I'll go to the front and take primary even if that means stopping well in front of the white line.
Posted 13 years ago # -
The one at the end of Holyrood Park Road by the RCP is usually quite useful, likewise that at the east end of Holyrood Road. Unless you've approached on foot the one heading west out of Brougham Place is less easy to access without risk.
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Flowchart indisputable. Interesting comments on his blog where I thought he tried to be fair in his albeit biased piece. Various posters taking issue. All of humanity out there as we know. [also in here]. One comment on the Dutch system where they have abandoned ASZ/ASLs
Never filter to an ASZ/ASL up the inside of a bus or lorry. Going up the offside not risk free either, going through the middle tricky when traffic starts to move. Knowing the sequence of your lights is important [as per flowchart].
Being joined by lots of other chums on bikes and motorbikes in the box gives it a sort of Mike Read's RunAround Starts Now feel [I shall google for a link to this mid 70s TV show]
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[+] Embed the video | Video Download Get the Flash Video This Halloween Special takes a long time to get to the ASL/ASZ runaround bit and then is very quick but as it contains a group of 8 children all who collect stamps [one called Cordelia] and one who has 35 badges and one who is into cycle scrambling and one of the worst collection of prizes ever and a guest appearance from Charles Hawtrey Off Topic I shall veer.
Posted 13 years ago # -
I like them. They give you a chance to get through junctions before drivers can drive over you to turn left or right. I use them as often as possible.
Posted 13 years ago # -
As an experienced cyclist I generally do use the ASL's. I would argue that the example you give in photo 4 is a left turn. I'm trying to work out where it is (lothian road outside cinema???) but to me it looks like a no left turn one way street. The arrow on the ground only points straight ahead and the cars coming out of that street seem to take up both lanes......
Posted 13 years ago # -
Sometimes I come up to them in primary, almost stop and then creep into them.
This is to indicate that it is 'a special space' and I don't take my right of access on a non-standard bike for granted ;-)
Used to spend a lot of time looking at cars in them and saying 'that's a strange bike'...Posted 13 years ago # -
The flow-chart is pretty good but it misses out the choice between overtaking and undertaking. It's worth tasking into account the behaviour of drivers who expect you to go to the ASL and get impatient because you're in front of them in primary in the queue. I've had drivers touch my rear wheel with their bumpers and I was once pushed along the road by a driver who simply didn't seem to know I was there. Some of that stuff is definitely provocative.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Hi Guys,
Glad the blog has led to some debate. Note it was meant as a little 'tongue in cheek' so don't take my experienced and inexperienced cyclists too seriously.
I think this goes deeper than ASLs though. It is the fact that infrastructure in general is always second rate and its value is often questionable. Time to think bigger. I plan more blogs on this theme soon! :-)
Posted 13 years ago # -
No problems MagnaTomo, we do cheek tongue here
Posted 13 years ago # -
As an experienced tounge in cheek artist I would agree that infrastructure is crap.
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