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  1. Kim
    Member

    Last night some of us heard the announcement that Edinburgh is probably getting a Cycle Action Plan, meanwhile in Glasgow there has been an announcement that the city is to become the first local authority in Scotland to introduce mandatory 20mph speed zones across the city. I wonder which will be the biggest boost for utility cycling?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. LaidBack
    Member

    IAM (Movement for Advanced Drivers) says: “Everyone supports 20mph zones. As long as they are only on residential streets with local traffic and not on main roads there should not be any congestion." (??? - can you guess what was said? I think they mean fast roads should stay fast)

    “Most of these zones tend to be self-enforcing and don’t need mandatory measures. It would be different if the lower limits were going into areas where there is abuse of the speed limit.”

    Cyclists were not mentioned by Herald as a potential beneficiary.

    As Glasgow is media centre for much of our TV in Scotland then anything that helps cyclists is to be welcomed. (ie if there was more cycling in streets they might pick up on it. Plus Glasgow has even lower car ownership than Edinburgh I think)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. Dave
    Member

    It's funny, the IAM are probably the most palatable of the motoring lobby but they still come out with some rubbish (or at least, some utterly car-centric rubbish, which is probably what the members are paying for!)

    The problem with 20mph limits that don't include distributor roads is, obviously, that people cycling around a city need to ride on distributor roads to get to their destinations. I'm often quite surprised by how much of Edinburgh is 20mph limit, but on my current commute, for example, it only gets me through the first and last few minutes, and the bulk of the journey is up Leith Walk and then over the Bridges and down by Cameron Toll.

    Bus lanes are what really save us in Edinburgh.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. Kim
    Member

    I agree with Dave on this, the problem is that the way the law is currently structured 20 mph Zones have to have traffic clamming, which then makes them expensive. What we really need is simply a 20 mph speed limit which is enforced, then everyone would feel safer.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. Dave
    Member

    It's crazy really. I'm actually quite a fan of full-width bumps (because they work) but the sane way to schedule it would be, change the limit if it needs to be changed, and then if people do not obey, look at enforcement / physical measures.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    38. This view was confirmed by a number of witnesses. Duncan Pickering of the Institute of Advanced Motorists told the Committee about research it had conducted which shows that, for about 80 per cent of people who own a bicycle but do not use it often, fear of the roads is the single factor that stops them doing so. This view was noted in many individual written submissions. Ronald Stewart, for example, wrote that—

    “On all of our rural roads (trunk roads as well as minor roads), speed and volume of motor traffic can be a major disincentive to cycling.”

    http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/s3/committees/ticc/reports-10/trr10-04.htm#_ftn13

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. Kim
    Member

    Interestingly Duncan Pickering has been actively trying to recruit cycle trainers recently, the IAM is keen to see more on road cycle training.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. Dave
    Member

    Although to be fair the IAM have a relatively enlightened view of cycling (relatively!), I'm not sure how far we should go down the route of having the motoring lobby sponsoring cycle training...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Glasgow City Council has backed proposals to pedestrianise parts of George Square.

    The local authority approved an £8 million to £10 million plan to remove vehicles from large parts of the area as part of a development strategy for the city centre.

    All parking spaces will be removed from the square to reduce traffic in the city centre, while the east and west sides will be fully pedestrianised.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/glasgows-george-square-pedestrian-plan-21445492

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Arellcat
    Moderator

    GCC at least has some precedent. This was Buchanan Street in 2016:

    but this was Buchanan Street in about 1955:

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    Includes bicycle

    https://twitter.com/YesWithDex/status/1392980348405944324

    Posted 2 months ago #

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