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Trucks Three Ways

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  • Started 13 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. After all of the debate on here recently about trucks, and whether insisting cyclists take care around trucks is 'victim blaming' or not, I've been paying close attention to how I act around trucks.

    This morning I was given three very different scenarios:

    one
    Bin lorry on East Claremont Street. He was stopped, the arm just coming down to pick up one of the communal bins. The road was virtually entirely blocked, just 2 feet or so clear down the opposite side to the bin arm. I could have squeezed by (he was stationary after all, and would be for a little while yet).

    I got off and walked past on the pavement. No worries getting back on and into the road because he was blocking any motorised traffic (and the bin was juuuust reaching the top as I remounted.

    two

    Charlotte Square. BIIIIIIG truck in the right hand lane, I'm about a third up from his backside. Traffic ahead turning right was slightly blocking his lane. Me in left hand lane, and motorbike a smidge behind me but to my right. Traffic moving reasonably slowly, lane in front of me clear.

    I could slow so that I'm no longer alongside him. Instead I watch, intently, for any movement in the front wheels, any deviation from the straight on course, knowing that should there be a sudden movement I've got quite a lot of road to escape in (including the opening to George Street).

    As it happens the truck driver is excellent and simply stays within his lane and waits for it to clear.

    three

    Just turned right into Fountainbridge off Lothian Road. Bin Lorry is outside Farmfoods and, before I appear, has started to pull out. They're slow. I could nip round his front to the ASL for Semple Street, but I'm not sure exactly which way he's going (he does have his indicator on by the way). I also realise that having started to pull out, the angle he is now at there's not a chance I'm in his mirrors (I'm almost at 90 degrees to him, but not quite, so he can't see me out of the window either).

    I pull up, wait for him to cross the lane, then carry on to the ASL.

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    So in two cases I eschewed the ability to get past the lorry in favour of what I saw as pragmatic safety; and in the remaining example I'd assessed escape routes and so on before proceeding. In all cases the lorries had the additional mirrors mounted (I really have been thinking about this a lot!), but all the same will have blindspots that we all know are there (and would like dealt with).

    I still think that prudence is the right, and safe, way forward. In tandem we should try pushing for safer lorries on our streets (there's no reason we can't advocate prudence by cyclists, truckers, truck companies and the government all at the same time!).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. DaveC
    Member

    I had a similar truck moment this morning. A local haulage firm Artic was waiting to pull out on to my road, I was crusing along nicely but instead chose to let him out and on coming traffic across me into Asda. Its a quiet industrial estate and further on is a small roundabout where I certainly would like to be following him through instead of trying to watch for him clowting me from behind.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. wingpig
    Member

    In case 3, what were the lights into Semple Street saying at the time? Did anything follow you in from Lothian Road?

    A determinedly cautious cyclist is all well and good but letting buses out/letting lorries turn/letting things in front resolve themselves before approaching is likely to be more perilous/testing when being bullied from the rear by impatient othertraffic. By removing a hazard by giving a bus time to pull out in front a replacement hazard can be created to the rear. It's absolutely not a reason to try anything daft but confidence to continue behaving sensibly in the face of pressure to behave daftly is something else which needs to be supported.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. Nothing behind, though even if there had been I wasn't about to put myself in possible danger in front of a truck, the driver of which couldn't see me, for the sake of not irritating slightly someone behind me. Although if someone had been behind they would have been just as conflicted, but with less manouevrability than I, so less likely to see the dilemma of passing or not.

    Tis all risk assessment. If removing a forward hazard creates a bigger hazard behind, then yes, don't do it. If the forward hazard is the bigger then do do it. Do or do not. There is no try...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. Dave
    Member

    Today I didn't pass a bus in the cycle lane as I wasn't sure whether it would stop at any time (it wasn't a coach, but neither was it LB, First, or Stagecoach. service 13?). However it did occur to me, and I'm sure many people progressing in a wide cycle lane beside very slow traffic would not think twice in the assumption that traffic would check before cutting across another lane.

    I quite often let buses out, mainly because it doesn't slow me down much if at all (I get to draft the bus after it's on its way) and partly because I get kicks directing traffic ;-)

    Posted 13 years ago #

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