Open: Fri 16 March - Sun 24 June 2012
Cost: Free
Venue: Exhibition Gallery 2, Level 3, National Museum of Scotland
http://www.nms.ac.uk/our_museums/national_museum/exhibitions/see_scotland_by_train.aspx
CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » General Edinburgh
See Scotland by Train (exhibition)
(35 posts)-
Posted 13 years ago #
-
One of these locomotives was styled in an Italianate manner. The other in a French. I'll leave it to you to work out which.
Train bore here - but the streamlined cases on these locomotives were largely cosmetic and they were removed later in their lives (partially for the A4 on the right, entirely for the Coronation on the left) as they made maintenance a nightmare.
The "real" streamlining was in the steam circuits inside. Kinda like the whole bling bike thing. You still need a streamlined engine under the bonnet to make it go some!
Posted 13 years ago # -
The engineer of one was born in Edinburgh.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Excuse my ignorance of the West, but I recognise the Castle representing Edinburgh; what the hell is that shard-like example of futurism on the left, which I presume represents Glasgow?
Posted 13 years ago # -
I'd agree that it's the Tait Tower. Check out the aerial view from the Mitchell Library:
But in the railway poster, look to the left of the tower. The bit that looks like the prow of an ocean liner is in fact the prow of an ocean liner, or at least the Atlantic Restaurant that was made up to look like one, as part of the Empire exhibition.
In fact the entire exhibition was a complete frenzy of Art Deco and Streamline Moderne – full gallery.
And one of the engines had a tractive effort of 35,455 lbs, and the other 40,000.
Posted 13 years ago # -
"And one of the engines"
I think one means locomotives...
Posted 13 years ago # -
A class 43 locomotive (one half of an "125" trainset) has a mere tractive effort of 17,980 lbF . So even 2 of them aren't quite up to 1930s steam power when it comes to a track start!
Posted 13 years ago # -
Amazing wot u find on the web -
.
Note articulated coaches and Beavertail.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Posted 13 years ago # -
Posted 13 years ago # -
Posted 13 years ago # -
I hope they have...
Posted 13 years ago # -
As the guys with Tornado point out that tractive effort is just 6% of the energy coming from the coal shoved through the firebox hole the rest goes out in what makes steam engines so interesting, noise and smoke.
So interesting when you compare what you get per Watt, if you put it in for a bicycle where a human engine burns the fuel and then for any other form of turning combustion into motion.
Arellcat - now that's a fine idea for an off-road cycle adventure seeking out the remains of the Bennie Railplane Railway. Mr Schickelgruber had something similar on rails with a propeller in the 1930's
Posted 13 years ago # -
How effient is the human locomotive at converting the energy contained within bananas / Soreen shovelled into the mouthbox into tractive effort on the pedal?
Posted 13 years ago # -
I wonder exactly when in the design process someone piped up and said "You know what this futuristic railplane needs? Stained glass windows."
Posted 13 years ago # -
Opens today.
Posted 13 years ago # -
@kaputniq Percentages in the low twenties were being bandied about in the late nineties when I did some physiology. I think they were based on estimated total calorific value of intaked foodstuffs rather than the likely-to-be-absorbed value, so include gastro-intestinal inefficiencies, though I can't remember if that was also accounting for the energy overheads of ingesting and processing the foodstuffs involved. Presumably rubbish human myosin wastes a bit more input energy than it needs to, too.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Posters:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17380917
I like the Motorrail one, showing the family being servered alcoholic drinks, presumably before getting into their car and driving off on their hols.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Ruggtomcat put something on facebook last night about the efficiency of a human turning a fry-up into cycling energy vs. the efficiency of a human riding a moped being fuelled by the equivalent calorific value of petrol.
Human on a bicycle was 2 or 3 times as efficient.
Posted 13 years ago # -
@cb not long after the introduction of Motorail, they had to move the cars into covered wagons as gangs of feral youths apparently found it much fun to wait for the Motorail train to pass under a bridge and drop stones on the cars.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Which I guess is better than doing the same thing from a motorway bridge.
I remember, as a young lad, seeing cars being unloaded in Inverness station and thinking how cool it was that you could take your car on the train.
Posted 13 years ago # -
I shudder to think how much it would cost to take your car nowadays if they still did this.
Posted 13 years ago # -
"They were silly stupid boys, who thought it would be fun to drop stones down his funnel. Some of the stones hit Henry's boiler and spoiled his paint, one hit the fireman on the head while he was shovelling coal and others broke the carriage windows."
And that was in 1951. What goes around, stays around.
Now, how about this?
Meccano model of Bennie railplane by Dave Fellows by Greg Webb Photographer, on FlickrPosted 13 years ago # -
"They were silly stupid boys, who thought it would be fun to drop stones down his funnel. Some of the stones hit Henry's boiler and spoiled his paint, one hit the fireman on the head while he was shovelling coal and others broke the carriage windows."
arellcat - want to come pver one night around 8pm and read that? I'm getting a bit tired of it. also 'thomas goes fishing' and the one about the silly policeman from the city who wanted to put a cowcatcher on thomas...
Posted 13 years ago # -
My only experience of a Thomas book is the freebie acquired somewhere recently, which (though it appears to have been written for National Book Week in 2010 rather than being one of the original vicar-derived stories) contains a peculiarly stone-age-tinged story (which somewhat reminded me of Harry Enfield's "Know Your Limits" sketch) about an engine with a girl's name (and eyelashes and cupid's-bow lips) who eventually ends up needing assistance from Thomas after trying to do too much on her own and not listening to engines with male names.
Posted 13 years ago # -
oh dear! yes, the new ones are pretty crappy - although that seems particularly bad. I picked up a hardback compilation of the 'original' stories for 50p at a school fete a few years back, purely on a whim - they were not part of my childhood - and they've proved a hit.
As a child, I loved Mike Mulligan's Steam Shovel (1939) and Lois Lenski's The Little Train (1940). Luckily my kids do too.
Posted 13 years ago # -
I went to the Museum today to see this exhibition. It's quite small, but I enjoyed it a lot, and spent about three-quarters of an hour looking around. One of the paintings I'm sure I saw languishing a few years ago in the window of a slightly dingy and now gone art gallery on Dalry Road.
I've only been to the museum twice since it reopened, and the first time was last week. I used to know the layout like the back of my hand when I wanted to look at the dodo or the triceratops skull or the rocks that fluoresced. Now I don't know where anything is!
Posted 13 years ago # -
Yesterday
.
Tractive effort, 32150 lbf (143.0 kN)
Posted 13 years ago #
Reply »
You must log in to post.
posts
