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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Might seem a bit premature - and some of those closely involved are hoping for a rest! - but?

    So far a lot of effort has been put in - not least by CCE people - organising, designing, promoting, flyering etc.

    Already there have been a couple of Motions in the Scottish Parliament and a considerable amount of press coverage.

    Saturday should see thousands of people with bicycles on Edinburgh's parks and streets - many will never have done anything like this before.

    Next week it's elections - throughout Scotland - for local councillors.

    In many places that will mean new people in positions that affect cycling - transport, planning, education etc.

    Many councils already have 'cycle officers' - for some cycling is only part of their job. A few councils (including Edinburgh) have Cycle Forums. I've been on CEC's one for some time and have, sometimes, been disappointed about how slow things are to change - but I'm glad it exists and think all councils should probably have one.

    I presume the majority of #POP28 people will be from the Edinburgh area - should more join Spokes and become active there, or infect more friends and relatives with their new found enthusiasm or just keep riding?

    #PostPOP28

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  2. sallyhinch
    Member

    We've been thinking about this. We've certainly learned a lot about how to do something like this as we go along (mostly lessons of the 'don't do it like that' sort ...) and we've certainly built up a momentum. On the other hand, most of us have day jobs, and we've organised on an ad hoc basis so far so we've no real structure beyond a website and a twitter feed.

    We will definitely be encouraging people to join their local cycle campaigns if they've got them, and we'll also be gathering names and addresses of people who are willing to be contacted. That should give us a useful mailing list should we want to take it further - at the very least we'll be able to alert people to what's going on with budget battles, updates to the CAPS and all the other good stuff that Spokes are so brilliant at picking up and keeping us informed about.

    Beyond that, who knows. A lot will depend on the enthusiasm of others to keep on keeping on - we've had an enormous amount of help from folks on here and beyond...

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  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Can't even keep up with pre-POP never mind post-POP!

    I'm off to do the dishes and listen to post-rock

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. wingpig
    Member

    #POP∞?

    Keep up momentum. It'll be easier if there is no attempting of any physical congregation, but after having been part of one hopefully more people will feel enthusiasm for some sitting-down-and-writing activism.

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  5. Tom
    Member

    I thought you meant the picnic.

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  6. chdot
    Admin

    "I thought you meant the picnic"

    That's important too.

    Though many people will have had theirs in The Meadows!

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  7. crowriver
    Member

    It's too soon to think about legacy just yet in my opinion. Yes, a good idea to be prepared, eg. taking contact details.

    Need to wait and see how the event goes first. There's a danger of being swept up in the positive media coverage, and the parliamentary interest. These are very positive signs, but it does not necessarily mean anything has really changed, yet.

    If the demo sees a big turnout, that may have a larger impact. The reaction, from media and government, following the demo is key. We'll have to wait and see if there is any change from that direction.

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  8. sallyhinch
    Member

    Just read the following about Budapest's critical mass - started in 2004, runs twice a year, now gets 30k cyclists turning out ...

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  9. crowriver
    Member

    I was in Budapest in March last year. I was keen to try and cycle around the place, and had researched some bike hire shops. However, when I tried to hire a bike, I was informed by every shop that they only hire bikes in the summer! :-( Pity. Lots of cyclists around, and quite a few good segregated paths in the central reservations of those wide boulevards...

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  10. minus six
    Member

    pre-poP APRE_PoP

    68

    Under the cobblestones, the beach !

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  11. Instography
    Member

    Probably not what anyone wants to hear but even if the weather's fine and there's a fantastic turnout, Sunday and Monday and the next couple of weeks will probably be a bit of a let down. There might be warm words and loose commitments in the run up to the local elections but the very fact of the local elections will lead to a hiatus when nothing will happen for quite some time.

    There needs to be some interim planning for two reasons - to do something else relatively soon that raises the issue again in case it subsides until, heaven forbid, someone else dies and to spread the issue beyond the central belt (mainly Edinburgh if petition signatories are an indication).

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  12. riffian
    Member

    If folk are thinking about post POP pints. Then the Kilderkin (formerly Jenny Ha's) is now run by James who formerly managed the Blue Blazer. Couple of good ales on...

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  13. crowriver
    Member

    to spread the issue beyond the central belt (mainly Edinburgh if petition signatories are an indication).

    Yes, this demonstrates both the strength of the activist base in Edinburgh, and its relative lack elsewhere in Scotland (Glasgow running a close 2nd at a guess).

    There were no posters on paths in Dundee. My modest handlebar flyering efforts were all I saw: might have been something elsewhere in the city but I kind of doubt it. I could have done more perhaps, but I don't have access to a laminator, and I don't live there so my time in the city is often limited by work commitments.

    Reaching out to cyclists in cities like Dundee, Perth, Aberdeen, etc. might be a next phase in awareness raising, possibly leading to future actions like POP or Critical Mass. One thing to bear in mind is that politics seems to work slightly differently in smaller cities and towns to the way it happens in Edinburgh and Glasgow. Aberdeen is the nearest in size but has its own way of doing things. The controversial development in Union Street gardens is a case in point.

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  14. Instography
    Member

    Although they've been in the background of POP, I suspect the long term lies more in cloning Spokes that closing POP. I'm reluctantly pondering DdeF's offer of kicking off something in Fife (an obvious osmotic extension of Spokes).

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  15. minus six
    Member

    "To be insulted by these fascists, it's so degrading.."

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  16. crowriver
    Member

    Yes, I think local campaign groups are key, that can serve as a lobby and build credibility with the local councillors. Maybe that road between Rosyth and Dunfermline is the starting point for a campaign?

    Certainly without Spokes I would not have become so aware of the issues realting to cycling as I am now. Might also be worth looking at what Glasgow's experience has been: Go Bike! campaign group not as high profile or long lived as Spokes, but has worked with Spokes on the Glasgow cycle map, and has its own structure and activities including organised group rides.

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  17. chdot
    Admin

    "
    but the very fact of the local elections will lead to a hiatus when nothing will happen for quite some time.
    "

    That depends.

    All parties (in Edinburgh at least) have said positive things about cycling - some more than others of course.

    A lot depends on how the people who bother to vote, put their (potential) numbers against candidates and how the PR system assigns and transfers the votes.

    NO party can have an overall majority. I think it's unlikely that any two parties will be willing to work together to form a majority coalition (as currently exists with SNP and the LibDems) - I could be wrong.

    It will then depend on which party has the largest number of seats (almost certainly Lab or SNP) and whether they are willing/able to lead a minority administration with or without an informal (or conceivably formal) agreement with one or more other parties.

    It's also possible that one party could organise a coalition with individuals from other parties.

    That would be very 'new politics' but I'm not sure if Edinburgh's politicians are ready for that.

    Whatever happens, in terms of seats, I think it's likely that something will be sorted out over the weekend immediately after the election - ie pretty soon.

    One thing that a lot of people (including some councillors) realise is that for a number of years council officials have, perhaps, been running things a bit more than their (theoretical) masters would care to admit.

    So uncertainty about which parties/councillors are 'in charge' won't last long.

    Whoever it is, there won't be a quantum leap in attitude changes or cycle provision 'on the ground'. Much of what happens over the next year or so has already been decided.

    It's VERY unlikely that there will be a massive cutback on the money already promised or the idea of '5% of transport spending'.

    But there are still many reasons for keeping the pressure on for 'more of the same' - and better.

    I think one challenge is how to avoid appearing to 'only care about people who cycle'. Better maintained roads are in everyone's interest - except perhaps sellers of car suspension!

    However much 'we' feel neglected/hard done by, the fact remains that pedestrians are even worse off. More dropped kerbs, shorter delay times on crossings, more enforcement of speed limits etc. would help children, older people, people with disabilities and - generally - cyclists, whether that's people who already cycle or future ones who consider that things have become 'safer'.

    Of course there are still those who consider that this is all a 'war on the motorist' but that's pretty much a minority. There seems to be no great call for scrapping 20mph zones, or reducing parking restrictions etc.

    'We' all want less traffic, better drivers, better infrastructure, better maintenance etc.

    I don't think that's exactly an unrepresentative, minority, view.

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  18. chdot
    Admin

    "I'm reluctantly pondering DdeF's offer of kicking off something in Fife

    Good luck.

    I'm sure that with some of the Fife based CCEers and existing Spokes members you could make some progress.

    I assume there will be a whole lot of new councillors. Most will probably not have experienced the sort of organised lobbying that 'cyclists' seem to be capable of...

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  19. minus six
    Member

    The SI was dissolved in 72

    but the PoP lives on

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situationist_International

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  20. Instography
    Member

    Damn.

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  21. crowriver
    Member

    My favourite Situationist slogan: "Be Realistic. Demand the impossible".

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  22. wingpig
    Member

    Pedal on, parliament?
    (And councillors, planners and representatives of other pertinent organisations...)

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  23. chdot
    Admin

    Think this thread has now moved to -

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6316

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