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  1. crowriver
    Member

    surely one of the upsides of having a larger membership is that the organisation would have more money. Isn't that good?

    Money isn't everything. More members are also more admin. If the majority of new members are 'sleeping'/non-active, ie. just reading the newsletter, maybe turning up to the odd demo, then that would be a huge headache for a small core team to deal with.

    Yes, a larger membership might bring in fresh blood, more folk to do admin, etc. Based on my experience of volunteer run groups though, this very rarely happens. It is usually the same people who have to do most of the work, unless they really pester others to do their share. Even when they do pester others, folk are often too busy or just content to let others do the hard work for them.

    There are a whole load of other questions about transparency, renewal, etc, which SRD hints at. I'm not going to go there as I've no interest in challenging the current 'leadership' of Spokes, whether it is transparent, democratic, or otherwise.

    Spokes has done and continues to do a brilliant job. Unless and until there is a need for the organisation to change (ie. a key person/people stands down/steps back) then I don't think much is achieved by questioning from the sidelines. If Spokes members want to influence policy, campaign priorities, etc. then they can sign up to one of the Working Groups and engage more with the organisation.

    Personally, at present I'm happy to to remain a loyal Spokes 'foot soldier' and leave the prioritising of campaign focus to others. If I ever want to change that, I'll sign up for more work than currently and thus get more 'influence'...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    "How can we get more directly involved? Where/when do the core organisers meet?! What do we need to do in the meantime to keep up the pressure?"

    all good questions. and good ideas on this thread and others. some good ideas emerging at the virtual POP HQ as well (see - lack of transparency!!!). we've had lots of nice emails directed at our 'contact us' address too. all coming together, just a little slowly!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. Claggy Cog
    Member

    @lionfish -

    Word of Mouth? Posters? Fliers/on bikes or in cycle shops? Internet forums? Blogs? Other?

    I think a combination of all of those things, I think social networking such as Twitter appear to be more instant and the rallying cry can be heard faster than ever. All the flyers at targetted sites such as university, hospitals, large companies as well as bike racks in and around town.

    I think people are genuinely fed up with the state of roads/infrastructure.

    I think people are genuinely shocked at the number of cyclists who have died in recent years on Edinburgh roads, and particularly the last few in such a short time scale.

    It seems to me that most of the organisers for POP appear to be members of this forum!! Whether they were to start off with I cannot say for certain but this forum was instrumental in organising and being used to co-ordinate things.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. SRD
    Moderator

    "...which SRD hints at. I'm not going to go there as I've no interest in challenging the current 'leadership'"

    Sorry...curiosity, not challenging. have been wanting to post that for a while...but that's just me. i like to know how organizations work (professional curiosity in part).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. amir
    Member

    Well POP28 has inspired me to send in a (late) bunch of emails to Midlothian candidates. Hurrah!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'm thinking about some sort of "I pedalled on parliament" badge or likewise. It doesn't achieve anything, but it's nice to have.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. steveo
    Member

    I wonder how much those embroidered badges cost to have made, a la Yehuda. It would pretty good on my Carradice.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

    the kids would've loved stickers! next time!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    @SRD, my impression (and this is just an impression, I may be wrong) is that Spokes is run largely by the founder members/members of long standing. One could call that a self selecting clique in sociological/political terms I suppose. DdF is the figurehead and chief spokesperson*, with others (notably Ian Maxwell) being very active too.

    Many people will probably have huge problems with that style of governance on a point of principle. For me, frankly I don't mind because it is what Spokes does that is important to me. I would hate to see such a valuable organisation be torn apart by internecine struggles over governance, accountability, structures, procedures, etc. This has happened/continues to happen in some other organisations.

    I'm not necessarily defending perceived lack of transparency. Just saying that I don't mind as I don't have time to bother with taking any of that to task. The cause is more important than the structure, essentially is my position specific to the Spokes context (not in a general, all encompassing way).

    * Actually he does so much more than that, it's an unfair description. DdF is a tremendously active and committed campaigner, activist and administrator.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "the kids would've loved stickers! next time!"

    Yes, next time.

    Think this could build for a few years yet...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. LaidBack
    Member

    Was Saturday the 'In town without my car' day that they said would cause traffic chaos? ;-)

    I bet next year they'll try to make it the annual 'ride your bike in town day'. Take care though... this only is worth having if the other 364 days see an improvement.

    No doubt SKY & Virgin would like to be involved as people had a day out too cheaply.

    Can't have that you know... big crowds = big sales opportunities.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "* Actually he does so much more than that, it's an unfair description. DdF is a tremendously active campaigner, activist and administrator."

    YES!

    (Including most of the words printed in all the Bulletins (I expect he is already working on number 113)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    If names are being mentioned, another key person is Sandy Scotland, who has looked at uncountable numbers of Planning Applications over many years. He then points out to the council that the 'cycle provision' is lacking, inadequate or even against its own guidelines.

    Council usually (but not always) agrees and gets developers to change things.

    High class planning consultancy service - for free...

    He also has involvements with Sustrans, SEStran and Cycling Scotland.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  14. kaputnik
    Moderator

    No doubt SKY & Virgin would like to be involved

    No doubt... But we don't need their naff branding. We've got our own! Personally I'd be aghast at the thought. The beauty of PoP is that it's a group of people with no corporate, financial, political or membership strings, so could do and say as they pleased. It was sheer co-incidence that so many others happened to agree with what was done and said. Anyone would think it was intentional? :)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  15. spytfyre
    Member

    Liked to see the EBC adverts at the starting line - someone said "they were nice and helped us pumping up tyres" and that let them do that? Hmmm

    EDIT - I'm not complaining their opportunistic capitalist advertising, good on them for having the foresight to send mechanics down there (after all not like the shop would be busy with half the bikes in the city in a queue not a million miles away.

    (just being a grumpy old cynic is all)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  16. SRD
    Moderator

    I *love* Spokes. I am in awe of their skills and know-how and the time they put in. But also curious to know how it works. Must get ddf off in a quiet corner of a pub sometime....

    Posted 13 years ago #
  17. steveo
    Member

    I wouldn't begrudge the local bike shops getting to fly their flags in return for mechanical assistance, ultimately they are as involved as "we" are in "this"

    Posted 13 years ago #
  18. SRD
    Moderator

    and a lot of them put up posters and handed out flyers too. i also know that at least one lbs made a sale as a direct result of pop.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  19. LaidBack
    Member

    kptnk No doubt SKY & Virgin would like to be involved

    No doubt... But we don't need their naff branding.

    I agree - I'd hate it to be some horrible Virgin National Bike Day

    Of course retailers were aware of this as sales promo ... we a logo on a flag on one trike!

    Then I saw that EBC and Grease Monkey had flags... then again they were there to help people keep rolling and it was nice to see Ged from Bike Co-op so enthused...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    I was pleased to see EBC (and Grease Monkey) there fixing folks' bikes - for free! They do this at the annual Spokes bike breakfast at the City chambers too.

    Yes, it's goodwill marketing but it is also useful and supportive. I don't have a problem with bike shops/mechanics advertising that it cares about this issue. Not one bit.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  21. kaputnik
    Moderator

    For the record, EBC and Greasemonkey asked of their own accord to come along. Although it looked cool on the day that we had arranged it all :)

    Quite a few of the politicians who turned up also weren't "invited" - beyond everyone in Scotland being invited! What I mean was, word was obviously out and they clicked that this was a chance to schmooze with the electorate very close to an election. Which is great as it means that they would have to turn up and talk "our language" if they wanted to get votes. Hopefully!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  22. Roibeard
    Member

    @kaputnik The beauty of PoP is that it's a group of people with no corporate, financial, political or membership strings, so could do and say as they pleased.

    With the obvious exception of the B***pton product placement...

    :-p

    Robert

    Posted 13 years ago #

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