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give me cycle space advert

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  • Started 2 years ago by ExcitableBoy
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  1. ExcitableBoy
    Member

    Just watched the new Give Me Cycle Space advert from Cycling Scotland http://bit.ly/IP9qDM

    and I don't quite get it. Are drivers meant to drive outside the reach of the girls arms? - not enough room for my liking. Or the distance from finger tip to finger tip from her, i.e. from the end of her handlebar? If I don't get it, then some drivers won't either.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. Instography
    Member

    They mean two arms but it's as ambiguous as the Highway Code's "give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car." Err, so, not much then.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. Smudge
    Member

    Although in fairness the explanatory pic in the highway code shows a car passing a cyclist with sufficient room that there could have been a car in place of the cyclist..

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. ExcitableBoy
    Member

    I still don't get it sorry. Approx half a metre from centre of the girl or approx a metre?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Member


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    I've figured it out

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    ALSO

    "
    asks drivers to watch out for children cycling to school and give them plenty of road space

    "

    So it doesn't matter about adults then??

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    "I've figured it out"

    Well sort of.

    Size shouldn't start from zero though.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. Min
    Member

    Funny, I was thinking about this advert the other day and it baffles me too. Drive close enough so the cyclist can stretch their arm out and touch your car. The smaller they are, the closer you can drive. Weird.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

  10. amir
    Member

    At least it might make drivers think about the space they give to cyclists. It would have been good if they said why:
    - to avoid sapping confidence from the cyclist
    - to allow wiggle room to deal with potholes etc
    - to allow the cyclist to signal
    - to allow the cyclist to fall off :)

    I also experience tailgating as a cyclist - not nice especially on curves (e.g. roundabouts) where one is at more risk of slipping.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. Instography
    Member

    I've always thought that if it was close enough that I could snap the aerial off, it's too close. Remember when cars had those extending aerials. #showingmyage.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    It's getting plugged here -

    "

    The Highway Code @HighwayCodeGB

    Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car. Rule 163

    http://youtu.be/gcl4qGWjaFw

    "

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Cycling Edinburgh @CyclingEdin

    @HighwayCodeGB Why not just promote the simple "Give Cyclists Three Feet" message?

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6358&replies=12#post-68339

    #cycling #cyclesafe

    "

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    Because young whippersnappers think in centimetres?

    Arm's length is too close, IMO.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    "Because young whippersnappers think in centimetres?"

    Perhaps.

    "Give Cyclists a Metre" doesn't quite do it.
    Much better than 'give as much room as you would for a car.

    I suspect that's what most motorists think they are doing.

    Most will have little idea about how un-nerving passing 'too close' is.

    Very few think about how much it's in their interest to give 'wide berth' due to wobbles, potholes etc.

    IN FACT - how about "Give Cyclists a Wide Berth"

    All sorts of comedic/cartoon possibilities there.

    Where's kaputnic?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. wingpig
    Member

    "Cyclists should be seen and not hurt."

    Will all today's modern youngster-drivers have had "wide berth" included in their parent-derived lexicon of common phrases?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. Dave
    Member

    I believe, off the top of my head, that 1m is the measure DfT use for "too close", cf the study into close passing & "headform"...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. Instography
    Member

    Rather than make arms length the distance, I'd go for th opposite. I'd make a video of a white van passing a cyclist and as it emerges from its passing you can see that the cyclist has written "far too close" in the dirt on the side.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. SRD
    Member

    cute, but lets make it s shiny BMW...its too easy for people like that to think that their driving is fine and its the guys in dodgy vans who should be fined etc

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. wingpig
    Member

    There's a risk that people in shiny BMWs are actually proud of how minimally close they can get to moving obstacles (in an 'efficient racing line' sort of way) without actually hurting their gleamy paint.

    "If the top of your doorframe is obscuring the cyclist you're overtaking from the neck upwards, you're driving too close."
    Often wondered if part of the whole cyclists-aren't-people thing is due to drivers not being able to see our high-up faces from their low-down visibility-impaired positions.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. Morningsider
    Member

    You are all VERY naughty! This advert is pretty much Cycling Scotland's favourite thing ever.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. SRD
    Member

    I like the fact that it does show kids cycling on the road. but in the gutter.

    and what about big people needing cycle space?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. Morningsider
    Member

    SRD - don't be silly, big people drive(1) unless they are taking part in "Fresh'n'lo Pedal for Scotland (c) tm"

    (1) Two recent Cycling Scotland job adverts required applicants to have driving licenses, I know that there will be an argument why this was so - but still, it just seems wrong.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. DaveC
    Member

    Who is this upstart?

    David Crampton ‏ @DaveCrampton

    "@HighwayCodeGB Rule 163 is woefully inadiquate & uselessly ambiguous considering how close some cars pass each other."

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    "This advert is pretty much Cycling Scotland's favourite thing ever."

    And?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. SRD
    Member

    "Two recent Cycling Scotland job adverts required applicants to have driving licenses,"

    we noticed that...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. Uberuce
    Member

    Replace the wee girl with Clyde from Every Which Way But Loose and then we're talking.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    Just in (my inbox)

    "
     
    I just wanted to let you know that Cycling Scotland is due to launch the Give Me Cycle Space campaign next week, starting on Monday. The campaign, which has run regionally in various local authorities in the past few years, will have a much more national focus this year as it is supported by nationwide TV and radio advertising.
     
    The purpose of the campaign is to encourage more children to cycle to school. As the major barrier is parents' fear of busy roads, our campaign calls on drivers to be considerate towards child cyclists and give them plenty of space on the road. This message of 'give kids cycle space' is carried on a range of outdoor advertising, which centres around over 130 participating school across 12 local authorities, and is supported by a national radio campaign and a TV commercial, which you can view here

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    The advert is designed to emphasise the need to give children space, so the child maintains outstretched arms throughout to carry through the 'give me space' message whilst various household objects give her space as she passes, and as the car passes the children at the end, there is a clear demonstration that drivers should pass cyclists leaving plenty of room.
     
    This marketing activity is also supported by a range of interventions in schools. The campaign will run in conjunction with children receiving Bikeability Scotland cycle training, the Riderz stunt team will visit schools to promote cycling to children as a cool and fun activity, a competition will run during the campaign to incentivise children to cycle to school, travel planning sessions to identify quiet routes will be run and all of the participating schools are being assessed for the Cycle Friendly School award. Parents of children in the target schools will also receive a letter highlighting the benefits of cycling, advice on travel planning with local mapping and information on Bikeability Scotland cycle training.
     
    We have seen very positive results for the campaign in previous years, where it has not only had a positive impact on the attitudes of parents and drivers to child cyclists, but also demonstrated a positive effect of the number of children cycling to school which we have tracked through the Sustrans Hands up Survey. I hope you will support our campaign and post the advert on your social media sites and help spread the message.
     
    "

    Posted 2 years ago #
  29. recombodna
    Member

    "This advert is pretty much Cycling Scotland's favourite thing ever."

    If Cycling scotland supposes that,then cycling scotland is an ass, an idiot! If that's the eye of Cycling scotland then Cycling scotland is a bachelor. And the worst I wish Cycling scotland is that it's eye may be opened by experience.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. Morningsider
    Member

    chdot - I'm not making any great point. All I was saying is that Scotland's main cycle organisation is spending public money on an advert that even educated, aware people seem to find confusing. Although, now I have thought about it, do you really have to have adverts saying:

    Drivers! Don't run down children on bikes! It's rude!

    Posted 2 years ago #

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