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"Hundreds of thousands of 11-year-olds leaving primary school unable to swim"

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/hundreds-of-thousands-of-11yearolds-leaving-primary-school-unable-to-swim-7757996.htm

    Figure for England.

    “Swimming is the only subject on the national curriculum that can save your life,” said David Sparkes, chief executive of the ASA."

    Again England - don't know if in Scottish Curriculum.

    It could perhaps be also argued for cycle training.

    Man on radio just said that drowning is third largest cause of accidental death.

    Though of course "Road accidents are the biggest single cause of death for all children between the ages of 1 and 15 years" - not just (or probably many) while cycling.

    http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/assemblies/introduction.pdf

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. amir
    Member

    Is Tufty still alive?

    There are quite a few folk who rely on their ears alone, i.e. no eyes, when crossing the road.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Uberuce
    Member

    Seems pretty clear the zombies are to blame. With the inhuman patience of the dead, they've perverted our daily lives with more convenience and sloth so each generation become plumper and more useless until one day our pampered offspring's shambling nemeses will rise and devour.

    The youth of today are the turkeys of the impending revenant Christmas, people! The dings of each new app being installed is the sound of carving knives being sharpened, the clunkclick of the car that drives us 200m is the sound of giant ovens slamming fatal shut.

    I for one intend to remain outside the cage and foxy.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. "I for one intend to remain outside the cage and foxy"

    Voraciously vulpine.

    I'm frankly shocked by this - learning to swim should be one of those 'basic life skills' things.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. wingpig
    Member

    Wonder to what extent access to facilities can be cited/blamed?

    I remember being stunned when we did swimming at primary school how incompetent some of my classmates were, particularly when a 'sporty' child turned into a thrashing blob of panic in the water. The teacher didn't help (evil, shouty, by all appearances incapable of swimming herself) and being forced to change outside (next to the pool, which was also outside) with only a distant fence to shield us from eyes and wind might not have helped either, but I think everyone came out of it at least able to keep themselves afloat for a few minutes at a time. If there hadn't been a pool in the village (and one which was only a few minutes' walk from the school) then it'd have meant a thirty-minute bus journey to the nearest city, as the next-nearest (and also (at the time) outdoor) pool in the nearest town six miles away wasn't particularly usable until the late eighties.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "I'm frankly shocked by this - learning to swim should be one of those 'basic life skills' things."

    You mean like cycling on the road?

    It used to be the case that swimming was almost compulsory in school and taught by paid trainers.

    I have been trying to get a similar situation for cycling for years.

    It seemed odd to prioritise swimming over cycling - where the latter is likely to involve more people, more often (and more likely unsupervised).

    Saw a stat this morning on an America site which said 50% of drownings were in swimming pools - and another big category was babies in baths. So, stats...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. alibali
    Member

    There is a parallel with cycling in that the activity is somewhat split between "sport" and "leisure".

    The sport of swimming is very much alive and well in Scotland and elsewhere with hundreds of children and adults training and competing at all levels every week. There are active clubs with trained coaches and swim teachers too.

    Unfortunately, that doesn't cross over into leasure swimming much and may actually inhbit leasure swimming but puting people off (I could never do that...) and tying up resources.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    "There is a parallel with cycling in that the activity is somewhat split between "sport" and "leisure"."

    Very true.

    This is noticeable with the amount of money spent on high level athletes.

    I think at least with cycling there is much more awareness that 'cycling' is about transport/health/leisure/wellbeing/independence/etc. and so may become 'higher priority'.

    Though of course it means it's not 'just' "sport" and "leisure" anymore, so harder to pigeonhole!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. splitshift
    Member

    learning to swim should be life skill !
    you generally dont fall onto a cycle and find yourself on a road.
    Unfortunately from bitter experience of watching it happen , you do however fall into water, and drown.
    No swiming lessons avail to our primary school until p5, but after the above we were nearly all , bussed, at parents expense,(service bus, approx 5 miles to nearest cooncil pool) and taught !

    "i wish I didnt keep loosin my birds !"
    Scott

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. cb
    Member

    @wingpig
    You changed outside to have swimming lessons in an outside pool? In Scotland?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. wingpig
    Member

    @cb Yes and no, respectively. Only been here since 1994.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. Dave
    Member

    I'll consider myself a failure if my kids can't swim *before* they go to school, never mind when they've been and left!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    Swimming very well organised in Balerno. The community high school has a big pool that everyone can use.

    I moved here eleven years ago. My eldest child had a swimming party and it was a bit tense with plenty of parents in the water, around the pool.

    When my next child started having swimming p[arties it was just two kids we had to watch and doable with two parents in pool and one on sidelines

    last child pool party just me in water - all good swimmers by the 7th birthday.

    This is a direct result of the swimming lessons ongoing in the community high school that everyone buys into [in our wee middle class bubble].

    Swimming lessons kick in at the primary school in P3 - not sure there will be anyone in the P3 class who can't swim already? the lessons will be stroke development.

    @chdot - the stat 50% of drownings occur in swimming pools? Needs more teasing out. You do need a volume of water in which to drown but the lifeguards usually know what they are doing. I had a friend who died in the arlington baths in glasgow - heart attack.

    As we are on the topic does anyone know of a source of good ear plugs? I develop glue ear if the water gets in these days and last Monday the coach had me doing one armed front crawl so I shipped a lot of water and my brand new zoggs ear plugs in combo with rubber zoggs cap was useless. My head too big for standard caps? was looking at elastic cap in tesco last night - £8.97 and not looking very big but if super stretchy and one that wont ride up, it might be worth a punt

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. alibali
    Member

    "...50% of drownings occur in swimming pools?"

    In Embra (and I think everywhere in Scotland) council pools the lifeguarding is excellent and continuous, even when swimming clubs are using the pool for training or competitions.

    In the private sector it's very different.

    I would imagine any country with a high proportion of private (and domestic) pools will produce a high "drowned in a pool" figure.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. steveo
    Member

    I can attest to that, one evening after the swim club knocked off I was the only soul in the pool. The life guard continued their diligent duty despite the fact I'd have been too embarrassed to drown.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. chdot
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  17. chdot
    Admin

    "
    16,000 children cannot swim by the time they leave Edinburgh’s primary schools.

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/latest-news/leith-waterworld-re-opening-plans-sunk-by-council-1-2761051

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

    they could fill some of the holes in Leith Walk with water and learn there instead? Big Society, Big Potholes.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. Smudge
    Member

    I have to confess, despite the best efforts of my parents and various coaches/instructors, to being a terrible swimmer. I can quite literally and truthfully *just* swim enough to save my life.

    Thanks to the parents etc however, I am confident in/around the water and have at various times operated safety boats, taught diving (the point is to sink so what hampers my swimming helps my diving ;-)) and canoed, sailed etc.

    As a minimum Smudge minor will learn to swim enough to save himself, hopefully he will inherit a little buoyancy from his mothers side of the family!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. SRD
    Moderator

    Twitter suggests that Waterworld may have been given new lease on life.

    Well done to all @Splashback

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. SRD
    Moderator

    Council is proposing to sell the waterworld building and instead allocate "£125,000 to fund swimming programmes for primary school children in Edinburgh "

    Showing yet again that they do not understand the difference between swimming lessons and play.

    http://andrewburns.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/leith-waterworld-progress-on-community.html?spref=fb

    Posted 10 years ago #
  22. steveo
    Member

    "£125,000 to fund swimming programmes for primary school children in Edinburgh "

    How magnanimous when they're getting over a million for the building.

    Showing yet again that they do not understand the difference between swimming lessons and play.

    indeed. Being able to swim should be an absolute minimum being able to enjoy the water such as at LWW should be a worthy enough goal. There is no where in Edinburgh where kids can play in the pool. They'll make their own entertainment in places like Dalry and the Commy but its not the same as flumes and a wave machine.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  23. SRD
    Moderator

    Everyone - do go read the comments on the counil leader's blog http://andrewburns.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/leith-waterworld-progress-on-community.html

    and then send your own to him and to your councillors.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    Took my son to Waterworld when it was still open (and Scotmid alongside, not Tesco). My daughter hasn't been able to go, nor will she ever it seems.

    Sad.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

  26. Snowy
    Member

    A pity. We used it perhaps every 3 months or so. Which doesn't sound a lot, but it adds up.

    Sounds like a bit of a brown envelope decision to me.

    Because after careful consideration, the council have decided that what Edinburgh lacks above all else is another soft play facility.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  27. SRD
    Moderator

    Statement from Splashback following council vote

    http://splashbackedinburgh.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/drained.html

    Posted 10 years ago #
  28. SRD
    Moderator

    Seriously appalling* comments on the Glasgow version of what we will get in Leith thanks to our wonderful council. http://www.netmums.com/glasgow/local/view/indoor-play/soft-play/wonder-world-soft-play

    *also appalling spelling

    Posted 10 years ago #

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