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  1. acsimpson
    Member

    It's interesting that the article says no bananas rather than no fruit. Do bananas have more or quicker absorbed sugar?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  2. paddyirish
    Member

    I've read that about bananas too I know that the riper they are, the quicker you absorb the sugar. Think they are higher in calories than other fruit.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  3. acsimpson
    Member

    I suspect that's also what makes them such a good jersey pocket snack.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    Well I daresay Scotland's diet won't be helped by lack of concerted action by the Scottish Government:

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    Celebrating Scotland’s Food and Drink

    This week there will be a debate in Holyrood ‘Celebrating Scotland’s Food and Drink Success Story’. In darkly comic timing the Scottish Government have just dropped their long-standing commitment to a ‘Good Food Nation Bill’ and disbanded their own Food Commission.

    ---

    Continues at: https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2018/09/12/celebrating-scotlands-food-and-drink/

    Posted 1 month ago #
  5. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    We should look for dietary advice from people who have maintained a healthy weight all their lives.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    Ah, but what if their diet is crap, they don't do much exercise but they are very slim? Such people do exist. They might not be healthy, but their metabolism keeps them slim. Their advice might be "Eat whatever you like, it makes no difference."

    Posted 1 month ago #
  7. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Yes but define healthy diet. Is there any agreement? Fat is bad, then it's good. Carbs are good then they're bad. As long as we keep looking for advice from people at the extremes we're going to get nonsense like avoid eating bananas.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    We should look for dietary advice from people who have maintained a healthy weight all their lives.

    That's me. But I wouldn't know what to say. If anything it's maybe that I have never snacked or grazed or taken away much. I largely cook and eat meals. I guess not everyone can do that.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  9. sallyhinch
    Member

    I think there's a fair consensus, and has been for 40+ uears that the Mediterranean diet is healthy, and that you should be getting plenty of fruit and veg, especially the latter. All the rest is just overexcitable headlines

    Posted 1 month ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    @Cyclingmollie, if you mean let's not listen to Tom Watson's advice then I agree. He's an extreme case. However for people who are grossly overweight - as he was until recently - his advice to cut out sugar and dense carbs is pretty sound.

    I recently subjected myself to BBC2's series (forget the title) about your birth age versus your body age. There was an NHS worker who was thin as a rake, outwardly looked fit, plenty of exercise. However his diet was incredibly high in cholesterol (lots of big fry ups, etc.) and he was warned he was at risk of artery wall thickening and potentially heart disease. Another person looked slim, but in fact she was so sedentary that her muscles had wasted away and had been replaced by fat, making her incredibly weak and frail. These were folk in their late forties/early fifties...

    Despite the nostalgic spectacle of seeing Angela Rippon still alive and kicking, what I got from the programme is the obvious message of health being about more than just how you look.

    @Sallyhinch, "you should be getting plenty of fruit and veg". Yep, that's about the size of it. More veg than fruit I reckon.

    On Newsnight last night - as well as a bit on V&A Dundee they had a feature discussing the fact that UK is now the third most obese/overweight country in Europe. Only Malta and Turkey are worse. Not sure how Mediterranean diet fits in to that picture (obviously not much of a factor in UK).

    Posted 1 month ago #
  11. neddie
    Member

    To me, this guy looks like he's in his 50s or 60s. Ask him what he eats.

    https://twitter.com/bikeride85/status/1039917456150724608

    Posted 1 month ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    “I think there's a fair consensus, and has been for 40+ uears that the Mediterranean diet is healthy, and that you should be getting plenty of fruit and veg, especially the latter. All the rest is just overexcitable headlines”

    Yes, no.

    Not sure there is an absolute definition of “Mediterranean diet” - or that all people living where fruit, veg and olives grow easily are all slim.

    Generally yes eat fruit and veg, preferably as fresh as poss, but frozen likely to be better than ‘tired’.

    Self-cook better than processed, but there are degrees of processed.

    I will arbitrarily say ‘there’s a difference between made and manufactured’ - eg between cheese and mechanically-recovered ‘meat’ pies.

    Also (mentioned previously) the manufacturing/marketing sleight of hand where ‘low fat’ means more sugar.

    One thing ‘emerging’ recently is the idea that a (wide) variety of foods is a good idea.

    But the basics remain - don’t eat too much, snacking is probably bad (mix of more food, not so good food and - maybe - body not designed for constant digesting).

    There is now more mention of ‘alcohol is bad for you’ going beyond ‘alcohol is bad for you’ to add ‘and it’s where some people get a LOT of calories from’.

    Then there’s exercise.

    In the ‘past’ people were mostly less heavy (and smaller) due to nutritional reasons and fewer cars and more work involving manual effort.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

  14. neddie
    Member

    More "Daily Mile" nonsense from Fife Council

    Posted 1 month ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    Wonder if any serious scholars have compared this -

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-edition-of-manual-of-nutrition-published

    with the first edition published at the end of WW2.

    (And editions in between.)

    Posted 1 month ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

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    13/09/2018, 11:13 am

    “This burger is so obscene, people are calling for Jamie Oliver to fix America” by ⁦‪@InsiderFood‬⁩

    https://twitter.com/insiderfood/status/1040181565316313088?s=21

    Posted 1 month ago #
  17. neddie
    Member

    Did Jamie Olivier really fix the school meals here? Or did they just soon revert back to the usual cheap tat, because anything else was "a bit difficult"?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  18. Nelly
    Member

    Taco Bell has no plans for an Edinburgh restaurant

    As if we need another type of fast food.

    Saw the other day that we are the third fattest nation in Europe Telegraph story
    Story also has detail on Tom Watson losing 7 stone after being told he was diabetic. Pretty impressive.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  19. neddie
    Member

    This is a worrying development. Coming soon to a creepingly privatised NHS:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45590293

    One of the largest life insurance providers in North America will no longer offer policies that do not include digital fitness tracking.

    John Hancock will now sell only "interactive" policies that collect health data through wearable devices such as a smartwatch.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    Very Brave New World. Compulsory fitbits for all?

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  21. steveo
    Member

    easily fixed.

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    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    May or may not be related -

    However, in Scotland and Wales, life expectancy has fallen by around six weeks.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/life-expectancy-uk-latest-ons-government-healthcare-age-elderly-health-a8553701.html

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    England, but unlikely to be much different here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/record-number-of-10-and-11-year-olds-severely-obese

    Posted 5 days ago #

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