The turnip who went ploughing through a group of school boys on the approach to the five ways junction on ferry road path.
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Posted 8 years ago #
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To the tall road cyclist who overtook myself (NEPN) as I was passing another cyclist who was slowing to turn into the Wester Coates turn off. So Double overtake, not really space!.
The levers on either side of your bars can be used !
The attitude you exhibited is exactly the same as a boy racer driving a car.
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Waiting in traffic on Murieston Crescent, just before the junction with Murieston Terrace, car in front had moved forward, motioned to van in the Terrace to exit onto Crescent and a cyclist passes me and chicanes around the van.
Suggest you visit opticians, then read the Highway Code and look ahead whilst cycling. Oh and use your brakes, they are not an optional extra!
Posted 8 years ago # -
Not really cycling but a quick thank you to the cyclist who locked their cable around both their and my bike yesterday. That's the second time that has happened to me in the last two months.
Posted 8 years ago # -
I'm always paranoid I'm going to do that :D.
Posted 8 years ago # -
@559 which bit of the highway code are you referring to?
Rule 172 seems relevant but doesn't put the cyclist at fault: "The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road. "Posted 8 years ago # -
@Luath
In this instance specifically Rule 67, 68 and 162
Rule 67, (part)
You should
•take care when overtakingRule 68,(part)
You MUST NOT
•ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate mannerRule 162
Before overtaking you should make sure
•the road is sufficiently clear ahead
•road users are not beginning to overtake you
•there is a suitable gap in front of the road user you plan to overtakePosted 8 years ago # -
Can we all join in?
Rule 170
Take extra care at junctions. You should
- watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, powered wheelchairs/mobility scooters and pedestrians as they are not always easy to see. Be aware that they may not have seen or heard you if you are approaching from behind
- look all around before emerging. Do not cross or join a road until there is a gap large enough for you to do so safely.Rule 172
The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.PS Filtering is not overtaking
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"PS Filtering is not overtaking"
Most drivers don't seem to begin to understand this - or believe it when pointed out.
Sadly (as seen on other thread) some police officers have same problem.
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I'm not commenting on the culpability or otherwise of the cyclit's in Muiriston Crescent because it's difficult to figure what actually happened, but a really significant danger to cyclists is the 'waving on' of one driver by a another, as took place here.
I hate to say it, but cycle really defensively in traffic where this is likely to happen, because the 'waved on' driver will just assume that the road is clear, and won't be looking for bikes that are performing perfectly legal manoeuvres.
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@MB, open forum,
@Chdot, It wasn't filtering, I was stationery in primary in the Q of vehicles, the cyclist in question overtook on my right hand side.
@ih, generally I try to adhere to a rule of not waving anyone on whether Iam driving or cycling.
In this instance at this location, I was stationery just north of the junction, the vehicle in front moves forward, clearing a space, I signal to the van that they can move into the vacant space, the cyclist overtakes me on my right at same moment and swerves round the van , luckily the van driver had spotted him. The fastest element in this whole equation was the cyclist who IMO clearly wasn't paying attention.
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@559 I thought from earlier post that it was the car driver who had waved the van out. Having stuck a foot in it, I'll nevertheless stick to my guns and say that waving anyone on to or from a car or bike is imho not best practice because the wavee can, if they're inattentive, assume the coast is clear. For the same reason, on the rare occasion I'm driving and a passenger thinks they're helping by saying, "it's clear", I ignore them until I've checked myself. I didn't mean to start anything, but only to point out that in heavy traffic, this signalling between drivers can be dangerous, especially for cyclists.
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@559 so I surmise from what you say (do correct me if wrong) that the van was turning RIGHT out of Murieston Terr onto Murieston Cres to head towards Dalry Rd? No excuse for the van driver not to see the rider filtering on the outside before moving off in that case IMO. File under (nearly) SMIDSY, looking (perhaps) but not seeing.
I'll bet if a car had been doing the patented "I'm turning right just down here, no point queueing so I'll just drive on the wrong side of the road for a bit" manoeuvre, the van would have sat tight. & also that we wouldn't have heard anything about it.
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@MB,
You are correct in assessing the manoeuvre, the van driver was patiently stationery and just started to move slowly after my signal, the problem is the cyclist came up the northbound carriageway, and the Crescent is a bend with limited visual on the northbound carriageway from the Terrace.
In this instance I don't buy the SMIDSY from the van as he did see the cyclist. As for overtaking up the outside I have done that in the past, but as there is nowhere to go if a vehicle comes the other way I now Q, boring perhaps, but less stressful.
I also use the word overtaking, as consider this more accurate in this circumstances.
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'Filtering' is not legal (and saying that HWC warns you to look out for cyclists doing it does not make it legal - it warns about lots of things), overtaking of traffic is only permissible on the left if you have your own lane of moving traffic (ie a cycle lane).
Posted 8 years ago # -
bikesafe disagree:
http://www.bikesafe.co.uk/advice-centre/filtering/
(a bike with an engine is still a bike)
Cyclelaw also disagree:
http://www.cyclelaw.co.uk/overtaking-and-filtering-whilst-cycling
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Of course filtering is legal - and motor vehicles do it all the time, on the left and without a specific lane.
Consider the situation on a single carriageway where a vehicle is turning right. The vehicles behind will pass on the left if there is sufficient room (and sometimes even when there isn't but that's a separate discussion ;-) )
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From BikeSafe link -
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Whenever the subject of filtering comes up we often get asked the question “Is it legal?” The simple answer is “Yes.” There is a ‘but’ though. Filtering is legal if it is done with ‘due care and attention’, and is not ‘dangerous’.
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Posted 8 years ago # -
"In this instance I don't buy the SMIDSY from the van as he did see the cyclist."
So the van saw the cyclist overtaking/filtering and decided to pull out in front of him anyway, despite the road ahead not being clear? Or have I misunderstood something?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Muppet with blue jacket and red rucksack (or vice versa) on a MTB this morning who bombed past as the lights turned green from Gilmore Place to Leven Street and then went left onto Valleyfield Street without slowing, brushing past the front of a pedestrian who was already crossing.
As they approached Melville Drive the crossing went amber so they accelerated towards the blind corner with the hedge (fortunately there were no pedestrians), crossing as lights were changing for the cars.
It must be bliss being so ignorant.
Posted 8 years ago # -
@Edinburgh Cycle Training,
I do not think the van saw the cyclist until the last second, as there is a curve in the road, which obscures a cyclist heading south in the northbound carriageway.The road ahead for the van was clear, he was patiently waiting at the line.
Posted 8 years ago # -
The red jacket/tartanish shorts/duffel-bag-rucksack-toting nerk going east on the NEPN between Trinity and Newhaven, who executed his pointless overtake of me and the pedestrian I was waiting behind exactly as the oncoming Dave passed heading west.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Also the wheelsucking twernip behind me past Haymarket who would have run into my wheel when the lights went red if I hadn't slowed my rate of slowing and gone slightly past the stop line to accommodate him.
Posted 8 years ago # -
The blonde chap with the mask on a mountain bike around Roseburn in the morning.
I asked him kindly yesterday not to overtake me on the inside when I'm in primary and he did it again in the same spot today.Posted 8 years ago # -
@robyvecchio - funny you should mention a masked mountain biker around Roseburn! Yesterday had a run in with a masked mountain biker just beyond Roseburn on West Coates. Tried to barrel his way though me and my bike at a T junction (I had right of way).
Got a grunt from him in response to my "good man" remark when he stopped a few inches short of impact. The sardonicism might have been lost on him I suspect...
Posted 8 years ago # -
I very rarely experience the infamous wheelsucker, but today I had one almost the whole way from King's Buildings to George Square - I really don't know why he didn't overtake - it's a complete mystery. I'm not very fast at all - I expect it was really frustrating for him. He had what looked like a very fancy bike and all kitted out properly and was so close I had to be careful about braking or pulling out to overtake parked cars and other cyclists.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Don't know if the spoon all over my mudguard going up through the Innocent tunnel was the same person I'd drawn up behind at the Duddinston Road West crossing and stayed well back from for a bit as they weren't going quite slowly enough to be worth overtaking in the mist until a clear section, but whoever it was was all over my mudguard going up the Innocent Tunnel, tried to get past twice at inappropriately narrow bits through the Hermit's Croft then tried to cut three corners at the expense of pedestrian safety by the time I went down Rankeillor Street and he went north up St Leonard's.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Female oncoming pillock headed west on canal this afternoon, just at Craiglockhart school, who decided to overtake a big line of pedestrians as I was headed east and also passing them.
Seriously, how many seconds did that save? Maybe she was a very important pillock...
And going far too fast.
Posted 8 years ago # -
I didn't initially realise that the person approaching the Chancellor/WoL junction behind me in a manner not consistent with being prepared to come to a full stop if it turned out to be necessary was the person who didn't take the opportunity to join the path in from of me at the Coltbridge ramp when I slowed to let him. If he doesn't want his double-ding-but-no-accompanying-braking bell-style to come off as aggressive and turnipy he should perhaps not get all aggressive when comment is passed upon it, which just kind of confirmed the perceived aggressive manner.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Me tonight! Coming home along the canal path from Ratho after an extended session climbing I was enjoying the freedom of a quiet path as I'm normally bombing it around the roads. At around Hermiston Gait I forgot about the chicane and hit it at about 12mph - double impact (hit both sides of the chicane). Not sure where I was looking! Besides a bruised ego and feeling a right eejit - I have skinned and swollen fingers, and sore/tender thigh/shin. Hope the morning brings less swelling. Ouch!
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