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"Riding the route" - tram line "cycling vandalism" evidence gathering

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  • Started 12 years ago by kaputnik
  • Latest reply from Arellcat

  1. kaputnik
    Moderator


    I mentioned on another thread that I was planning on riding the length of the tram route (including aborted section to Leith) tomorrow to gather photo evidence of the extent of the vandalism it has caused on cycling infrastructure.

    Weather looks good up until c. 2PM at which point it might rain. If anyone is free to join me, an assistant or two would prove useful for taking photos / posing in shots for scale and to illustrate inconvenience.

    I'll probably start at Edinburgh Park station and work my way into town from there, can't think there was any infrastructure worth them digging up / blocking off any further north or west from there.

    My intention is to photograph and describe each piece and prepare a report, copies of which will be sent to council, councillors and trams asking for their response. I hope there is enough damning evidence in it to shoot holes through their stock "we have considered cyclists at every stage" BS responses.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    What time starting? I'm free tomorrow in the sense that I can do as I like from 0920 but shall be bairned-up until about half two.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Uberuce
    Member

    Yarp, I'm free. The grand total of my plans for tomorrow were: buy a bottom bracket cable guide; fiddle the limit screws on the derailleur so I actually have 11-32 8-speed and not 12-28 6-speed; watch a bit of Tour.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I think it will probably take 2 or 3 hours to do? But then my time estimates are always rubbish and hopelessly underestimate things.

    @Wingpig do you mean you could do a start at c. 10AM or that you would need to wait until c. 230PM?

    Route shall go something like Edinburgh Park > Broomhouse Path > Carrick Knowe > Balgreen / Corstorphine Path > Water of Leith at Balgreen > Russell Road > Haymarket > West End > Princes Street > Charlotte Square > St Andrew Square > Dublin Street then proceeding best route down to Leith to get the mess around end of Hawthornvale Path.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. wingpig
    Member

    Start tennish. Disorganization reigns and starting from Leith, so might aim to intercept rather than initiate.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. Uberuce
    Member

    If you mean the St. Abbs run, then in your defence at least some of the extra time was due to me and my bonk.

    I reckon it'd be a good idea to take a child trailer along so we can evidence any lack of provision for them, but my y-frame is a functional if less photogenic substitute.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Puzzle
    Member

    Do you have room on the memory card, for the Leith walk? Sadly busy tomorrow or would have been happy to help.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @uberuce perhaps we could find some abandoned furniture dumped on a street, bungee it to your trailer and point out how provision is hampering citizens from getting washing machines etc. home by bicycle

    I shall tweet progress under hashtag #trambles to aid interceptions

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Lets say 10AM then, Harrison Park by Zazou?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I've just finished a bit of fettling of new brake pads and wheel tweakery, so if it isn't raining at the back of ten, I'll hopefully see y'all at Harrison Park. I'll bring a non-standard bike too.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. Uberuce
    Member

    Barge, ten, trailer, check.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. SRD
    Moderator

    if you want kiddie trailer, it is available. but would need proprietary hitch.

    Cyled Lothian road to Princes street tonight... iiinteresting. very hard to avoid tram tracks as you turn right. We had bus behind, and decided to pootle over the stop lines and get on left of tracks.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. Uberuce
    Member

    Give the equivalance of the Y-frame and child trailer in dimensions, it really does require you to be very bored at about 9.30am tomorrow, but if you expect to be in said state at said time, I could pootle over and gratefully swap hitches.

    This is on the assumption the kiddie hitch goes on the QR skewer the way the Freedom hitch does. If not, it's a bit silly to go to all that faff, methinks.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. SRD
    Moderator

    yup, probably not worth it. But i'll let you know if we're awake etc. late night for the kiddies tonight, so with a bit of luck, we'll still be snoozing.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. kaputnik
    Moderator

    morning coffee and lorne sausage consumed and phone charged in preparation for #trambles.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Up to exhibit L now. I think they've hit the jackpot for infrastructure problems.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/cocteautriplets/status/219381871782526977

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. Uberuce
    Member

    It was a bit of an eye-opener. I'd never actually considered how little I'd been considered as I perform my daily commute, but the notion they have had cyclists in mind is, in the harsh light of Twitter feeds, laughable.

    The trailer isn't really that much wider than the tractor's handlebars, and it was in Sunday quietness, so there weren't that many times it was a big issue, but I only had a chain and some junk in my trunk, not an child. I'm also a big grr manly man man, so picking up my 13kg bike and using it to guide a trailer with ~8kg load trough the narrows was trivial.

    Scale me down, scale up the bike to Dutch/cheap/pannierd heaviness, make it rush hour and increase the load to kiddie mass and fragility, and you're horsed.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. sallyhinch
    Member

    I do hope someone is planning on blogging this somewhere! Guest spot on the POP site perhaps?

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  19. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @sally yes it will all be written up. Hopefully a few more pictures to gather, like contractors white vans parking on the Broomhouse path etc. I intend to "review" each of the things we surveyed, pointing out the bleeding obvious to the non-cyclists who look at a fenced off path or a misaligned crossing or missing links in a shared path and can't see the problem. Might try and summarise whole thing as well. The obvious concentration of mess is on the Broomhouse Path, especially around Edinburgh Park station, which is just a catastrophe.

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  20. chdot
    Admin

    "I do hope someone is planning on blogging this somewhere!"

    I think the idea is to demonstrate that this isn't entirely true...

    “The safety of all road users, including cyclists, has been a major consideration throughout the development and construction of the tram project"

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7387

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  21. crowriver
    Member

    Well done folks, a good initiative. I do think it's worth being systematic and as you say pointing out the obvious. A report format will be just the thing to hit home with council officials and elected representatives.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'll get my photos organised on Flickr tomorrow. In the meantime, I find the following one quite damning;


    Cross at an angle between 60° and 90°? by the Magnificent Octopus, on Flickr

    Princes Street cycle lane at bottom of Mound for Hanover Street.

    Quick jog of the memory - official advice says "cross at an angle as close to 90 degrees as possible". Edinburgh Trams claimed their angles in their designs are "not less than 60 degrees". I think their protractor was broken! There's a more full write up of the findings if you click the link through.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    Of course it would be nice to think that the Mound crossing is an unfortunate fact of Edinburgh's geography and that all the things we saw yesterday were just sloppy examples of the need for 'broken eggs to make an omelette' and it'll really be great for cyclists when it's all finished.

    There is contrary evidence -

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6730#post-76661

    Posted 12 years ago #
  24. Tulyar
    Member

    Here are a couple of pictures of the rail profiles at the Waverley Bridge/Princes Street Junction, and at Haymarket Tram Stop, plus the page from the Tactile Paving Manual, and an extract from MVA report (1996) on Cycling with Trams. The latter refers to a standard which called for new rails to be, as far as possible flush with the road surface and a tolerance on vertical features of 3mm for sealing, and 6mm for thermoplastic lining p.11 of this report, and notes for NET system call this up as a tolerance of +0mm to -6mm so that the railhead is never proud of the street surface (to lift up a rubber tyre clear of the friction of abutting road surfaces).

    The case of Roe vs Sheffield Supertram & others relates to rails raised above the road surface - very much as in the picture of the Waverley Bridge Junction - where a car driver claimed that all 4 tyres were lifted clear of the road surface and slid along the rails. from the pictures it seems possible that this could occur with the rails projecting that far above the road surface, unless a very thin additional detail was missing when the photograph was taken.

    To take a picture or the profile use a handy 'straightedge' and a coin to scale against it 5p=18mm 1p=21mm 2p=25mm. The sheer number and scale of the vertical discontinuities across the band containing the rail embedding system substantially enhance the hazard resulting from striking a vertical edge greater than 5mm high at any oblique angle.

    Waverley Junction profile detail

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjs12ow7zxu6ctf/Princes%20St%20%28Waverley%20Br%20Junction%29P1010577-extract.JPG

    Haymarket

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/bsowll0ix49x39h/Haymarket%20profile%20P1010678-extract.JPG

    Tactile Paving spec

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9e5v4sjsfr480y7/tactilepavement%20tramline%20p.54.jpg

    Getting the detailing right is important. Manchester suffered sagging rails and edge blocks moving, because of a flaw in specifying the flexible pad under the rails, the new system seems to be an improvement, and Sheffield now has a major task in their rail renewal posing a significant challenge in cutting out the old rails.

    Interestingly from the 1996 MVA study surveys of cycle traffic on streets where cycling was banned, along with all other vehicle traffic to facilitate the tram route showed levels of cycling similar to the open streets and no increased incidence of cyclists' falls.

    It will also be interesting to see the detailing of off street tram stops, and cycle route crossings in the light of a recent incidents in Croydon (2012) and Manchester (2011), plus a run of inquiries into cyclists killed by trams and trains with clear indications that each one had been wearing headphones and rode across the tracks completely oblivious to the tram or train bearing down on them.

    Sorry I hit the limit on inserted URL and nonsense was coming out. Other stuff by e-mail

    Posted 12 years ago #
  25. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Road.cc have picked up on the above diagram.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  26. LivM
    Member

    I spotted today that the bike racks outside the north entrance to John Lewis have been swept away to make room for a new two-way access to the back road to the collection point - needed because the York Place road closure will block the other end of the one-way route in.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    I spotted today that the bike racks outside the north entrance to John Lewis have been swept away to make room for a new two-way access to the back road to the collection point - needed because the York Place road closure will block the other end of the one-way route in.

    What? That's very short-sighted. What about pedestrians? Surely there'll be more conflict with the pelican crossing too?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  28. LivM
    Member

    The pedestrian crossing across Leith St is maintained, and the old railings are in place for some of the distance. It's really just the corner (now replaced with plastic barriers) that they've stolen, so that one can come North down Leith St and turn left up the road beside JL. I was on a bus with misty windows so I couldn't see signs or details.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  29. Tom
    Member

    I hope you don't mind kap but I spotted a mistake with one of your images. Don't know how that bike symbol got in there but it's fixed now:

    Posted 12 years ago #
  30. Dave
    Member

    I caved and wrote something up about the excitement that we'll all have to enjoy in front of the galleries "soon" (for some value of the word "soon"). Click the pic for words and more:

    Posted 12 years ago #

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