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"Cycling Scotland are looking for early adopters to become a Let’s Ride Centre"

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    In spite of the word "Centre" this doesn't seem to be about having a building/base.

    Might appeal to some people on here

    "Because with Let’s Ride it has never been easier to start your own cycling group."

    "

    Cycling Scotland are looking for early adopters to become a Let’s Ride Centre. Before our public launch of the programme we would like to recruit a number of pilot centres.  Organisations who come on board as early adopters will be offered all relevant resources for free, and have the opportunity to feed into the development process.

    We are proud to introduce to you Cycling Scotland’s new led-ride programme Let’s Ride. Have you thought about starting your own guided group bike rides but not known where to start? Let’s Ride makes it easy to do, providing you with all the support you’ll need. If you already run a group ride why not become Let’s Ride accredited, there are many benefits!

    What is Let’s Ride?

    Let’s Ride is a nationwide network of led-rides where you can link up with others looking to go for a bike ride. Let’s Ride supports anyone that wants to run a series of guided cycle rides by providing all the training and materials necessary to do so. There is even an easily searchable web page where individuals can search for and register to become part of rides in there area.

    We believe Let’s Ride can be used for lots of different groups and purposes, such as:

    beginners rides;
    women’s only rides;
    fun rides;
    cycling club rides;
    special needs group’s rides;
    health referral programmes;
    After school clubs.
     

    Why should I be part of it?

    Because with Let’s Ride it has never been easier to start your own cycling group. By joining Let’s Ride your local rides become part of well promoted national network that makes them easy to find and sign up to. You’ll also become an accredited Let’s Ride Leader and Cycling Scotland will provide you with a pack, containing a handbook and branded accessories.

    What do I need to do to become an accredited centre?

    To become an accredited Let’s Ride centre you simply need to sign up to the scheme by contacting Matt MacDonald at matthewmacdonald@cyclingscotland.org

    To be eligible you must have:

    appropriate insurance, both for the leader and the participants;
    a first aid qualification;

    the Cycle Ride Leader qualification or higher.
    Your centre must also be supported by somebody qualified to carry out risk assessments on the routes you will use, ideally someone with the Cycle Trainer or Trail Cycle Leader qualifications. Please contact Matt if you would like help with this.

    Cycling Scotland requires that an accredited centre must run at least 1 course of 6 rides per year to qualify, and that the number of rides and participants are logged through our online database

     

    Cycling Scotland is the national cycle promotion organisation for Scotland. We’re working to establish cycling as an acceptable, attractive and practical lifestyle option. We want to make Scotland a nation of cyclists.

    "

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Great, so we now can't go cycling without insurance, a risk assessment, qualifications, certificates, first-aid accredication, filling out the relevant forms and I assume a polystyrene hat and dayglo vest.

    What a way to introduce people to the "simple" joy of cycling.

    No apologies for my cynicism. British Cycling do something very similar for "Go Ride" to get youths into cycling.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    "Great, so we now can't go cycling without..."

    Well obviously...

    But -

    To be 'fair' this is about encouraging organisations to take 'novices' cycling.

    Though I'm sure there are existing (regular/organised) rides where participants do so 'at their own risk'.

    I also assume that leaders on things like Sky Rides and CTC runs don't have to have individual insurance.

    Organisers of UK Bike Week events have blanket insurance.

    It shouldn't be difficult/expensive for CS to arrange the same.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Roibeard
    Member

    I think it's a de-branded SkyRide local, for those will less negotiable souls than myself...

    Although, I'd guess that helmets would be required (for under 18s at least). The insurance will just be public liability insurance/3rd party insurance, rather than personal injury insurance, so folk are still riding at their own risk (true for SkyRides too).

    Although I may be confusing Cycling Scotland with Scottish Cycling!

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. steveo
    Member

    There is a life of Brian joke in there some where...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    This would be useful if they were actually offering reasonable insurance - that's the biggest hurdle for arranging organised rides at the moment. Bike week can only be stretched so far...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Instography
    Member

    The details of this and the take-up are probably less important than the likelihood that it will be cited by Keith Brown as one of the things that the Scottish Government and its associated quangos are doing to promote cycling. When POP and others ask for infrastructure they'll say they gave you Let's Ride. So on that basis alone I think it should scorned and rejected as a laughable and ineffectual "initiative".

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. sallyhinch
    Member

    And, looking at it more closely, I really fail to see what the point is *at all*

    They say they are making it easier for people to start ride programmes - but to be eligible to join you have to be insured, trained, have a risk assessor and a first aider. That hardly fits the description of someone who wants to run rides 'but doesn't know where to start'

    In return you get a handbook (except you're already trained) and a 'ride leaders pack' (let's guess - a hi vis jacket and some stickers) and some tat with Cycling Scotland on it, sorry, branded accessories plus a mention on their website, which means basically we're helping CS promote itself. AND reading between the lines, it's only free for early adopters so everyone else will have to PAY. So that's us paying in order to volunteer for free to do Cycling Scotland's job for it.

    Cross now

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. Morningsider
    Member

    Is there really a shortage of organised bike rides? Between cycling clubs, CTC, SPOKES, charity events and informal group rides I wouldn't really have thought this was a priority for spending even a tiny amount of the limited funds available for cycling.

    I am beginning to think what really needs to happen is for Cycling Scotland, SUSTRANS and the City of Edinburgh Council (sorry, other authorities but you just aren't trying) to invest a very substantial amount over a couple of years into the development of a single mega-cycle infrastructure demonstration project, e.g. a major Copenhagen style cycle path through central Edinburgh, possibly linking the NEPN with the Meadows. This could then show what could be done and how effective it could be - hopefully leading to a change of tack by the Scottish Government and other authorities.

    The current piecemeal spend across Scotland is simply hosing the available funding away on "initiatives" and infrastructure developments which seem to have minimal impact.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "invest a very substantial amount over a couple of years into the development of a single mega-cycle infrastructure demonstration project"

    INDEED

    "e.g. a major Copenhagen style cycle path through central Edinburgh, possibly linking the NEPN with the Meadows"

    That would make sense...

    As I said earlier on another thread -

    "In Edinburgh there is a real possibility of something significant (in a 'good example' sense) being done with Leith Walk. There is genuinely a lot of local support for something more pedestrian (and cycle) friendly."

    Just remembered in the course of my conversations at McDonald Road Library yesterday that one of the CEC people said 'there aren't really any good links to the Water of Leith'.

    It's not something I had mentioned so it's obviously being considered - to some degree.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. Roibeard
    Member

    @Sally - at least British Cycling/Scottish Cycling/Sky are paying for the training, the insurance, the ride admin (including providing risk assessed routes) and the volunteers (yep, I'll be paid to lead or risk assess a ride). Your first aid cert is still your own.

    So, if you can stomach the corporate branding, Sky's version is much better.

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. sallyhinch
    Member

    @roibeard yes, the sports bodies do this so much better than the cycling promotion bodies. As it is, we've just gone ahead and done ours based on a mix of bike week and CTC insurance, as CTC has a decent presence on the ground here.

    @morningside - that's something along the lines of what Cycling England were doing with their demonstration towns (albeit in a more unfocused manner). Unfortunately the coalition government basically pulled the plug on them before they could start to do something serious.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. Dave
    Member

    QBC could have been that - from the Missoni to KB, lots of parallel routes to take motor traffic (and when it's shut for gas mains work, nobody notices).

    Sadly not though.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. Claggy Cog
    Member

    I think that this is all to do with getting as many people trained on the Bikeability scheme, and due to the expense of putting so many through it, having to prove that the spend has been worth it in terms of getting people to start their own rides. All a bit like the Bike Club...where once you get the Bikeability training they hope you will go into schools, youth clubs etc. to get youngsters/young people out. If you lead CTC rides now they are expecting you to do some sort of leader training, this is a new departure from the established norm in the past, but I don't think that if you don't do it you and other participants would not be covered by the club insurance.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. Claggy Cog
    Member

    @chdot - re the WoL - I think there are a number of sites that the WoL can be accessed where it is fairly quiet via the canal. It runs adjacent to many of the network paths. You can access it from Liberton, Gilmeron via the Innocent, Portobello, Seafield, Leith Links only crossing roads occasionally. So I am a little unclear how access can really be improved. However, I think that the actually WoL path could be vastly improved itself in parts, and ramps put in instead of stairs with a totally knackered bike run at the side. The stairs from the canal before the viaduct are really scary and I would much rather run the gauntlet of traffic to use the Slateford road entrance.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Claggy Cog
    Member

    Perhaps Cycling Scotland need to get insurance cover like other clubs such as the CTC so that people who would like to lead runs under their umbrella are covered under a blanket insurance scheme, and the rides could be advertised as Cycling Scotland rides. The cost to the individual for event insurance are prohibitive and also if you intend to lead regular rides you would have to take out some sort of subscription insurance and that could prove very, very costly. They have clearly thought this one through....

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. Do you need insurance to run regular rides? Do ERC have insurance for their clubs rides? Portovelo? I didn't have insurance for the ride round Edinburgh I lead - is there a difference between leading a one-off ride where insurance isn't required and regular rides where it is?

    20-milers? Audax organisers? Club midweek time trials? Do they all have insurance?

    Genuine questions, I don't know.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. wingpig
    Member

    @Wilmington Yours was clearly advertised along the lines of "I'm just going out for a ride and other people can go in the same direction at the same time if they see fit" so you'd probably be safe if someone tried to sue you for getting their bike all muddy alongside the Almond.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. Claggy Cog
    Member

    @WC - ERC was set up by a break-away group of CTCers, I don't know for certain whether or not they have insurance, but yes clubs do require insurance for regular rides, so I imagine that they do. Spokes rides are insured as far as I know but Stuart Threlfall would be able to tell you that for certain. As your ride around Embra was a one-off and not advertised per se as an "official" ride then you should be fine. As a CTC member I have 3rd party insurance at all times, on my own or when taking part in a club ride, that is why so many join...just in case. Also if you are involved in an altercation/collision with/by a car then you can call on their help and advice. If any rides come under the banner of official CTC rides then I don't need to have event insurance. The PoP ride would have had to have event insurance. Audax rides/events are covered as theirs is an organisation Audax UK. Sorry to say unless your ride is a mates event, and advertised, then yes you probably ought to be insured.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. Roibeard
    Member

    @WC - I'm with wingpig, you were clear that each of us was responsible for themselves.

    I'm sure many would have 3rd party insurance anyway, either with their cycle club membership (CTC, Tandem Club, etc) or on their home insurance.

    Of course, if you were leading professionally, then professional liability insurance would be advisable.

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. "The PoP ride would have had to have event insurance."

    Except it didn't have any. I'm pretty sure we discussed it in the organising emails (though I may be misremebering) and realised it wasn't necessary. But I'm not an insurance expert.

    I can see the obvious benefits - just not sure it's a legal requirement rather than a 'nice to have/covering your backside'. Off to do a wee legislation search.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. sallyhinch
    Member

    We did have insurance - it was covered by Bike week (which may or may not have realised what it was getting itself in for)

    Bike week insurance runs from April to the end of July and is extremely helpful in offering lightweight insurance for these kinds of rides, although I'm not sure how covered we'd actually have been had something gone wrong

    AFAIK you are not required to get insurance when leading a ride but you are very strongly advised to do so, particularly in the case where one of your participants causes damage to someone or something else. And my understanding is that it's hard to wriggle out of responsibility on the grounds that you didn't make it an 'organised' ride. It's a huge stumbling block to running rides, and if Cycling Scotland were prepared to do something like Bike week and offer free basic insurance they'd be doing a huge amount more for cycling than this daft scheme. But that would cost them real money (which is why Bike week is so heavily branded by Samsung)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. Aha. I was sure I'd remembered some discussions, but indeed had misremembered the detail.

    "And my understanding is that it's hard to wriggle out of responsibility on the grounds that you didn't make it an 'organised' ride"

    Certainly from a 'liability' point of view if anything happens it would certainly be difficult. If you had invited people, and chosen the route etc etc etc then you're certainly responsible for them being there, no matter how informal it all was.

    From what I've managed to find it's the case that insurance is not a requirement for leading rides (whether regular or informal) but by not having it you leave yourself open to being personally liable for any injury etc. (and personal injury and death cannot have liability limited - if anyone asks you to sign a waiver saying that should you be hurt or killed due to any of their actions or omissions or directions that they are not liable, that's not binding. Big organisations get this wrong all the time - a landing trip I did to the Bass Rock had the Seabird Centre disclaiming liability for injury etc on the boat or Rock).

    Critical Mass would be an interesting test case.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    NOT Edinburgh/Scotland

    "

    This summer we're running lots of new rides. We now have three categories: Gentle, Leisurely, and Speedy

    ...

    Though we aim to take a common sense approach to safety on our rides, all those attending do so at their own risk

    "

    http://www.ealingcycling.org.uk/SubjectPages/Rides&Events/Rides&Events.htm

    Posted 12 years ago #
  25. Blueth
    Member

    Claggy Cog. Perhaps I’m wrong but I detect a note of frustration in your comment of “expected to” in reference to leader training and assume it is the scheme introduced by CTC Lothians and Borders to which you refer. The training covers rather more than the topics mentioned here.

    It may be of interest to you to know that it was introduced following fairly vociferous feedback and expressions of dissatisfaction by participants in these rides so is less an imposition on members and more an attempt to give them what they say they want.

    Anyone with any constructive points to put, or even just complaints, could think about attending the AGM on the 25th of October. Details are on the front page of the website at http://www.ctclothians.org.uk.

    Posted 12 years ago #

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