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  1. chdot
    Admin

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    The draft that we have put together is pretty lengthy, and it has already changed greatly after valuable input from both the Leith Business Association and SPOKES. We're also grateful for the support we've had from council officers, comments that people have published elsewhere on the web, such as these ones by Dr Caroline Brown as well as all the views expressed in the lengthy thread on the City Cycling Edinburgh forum on this topic.

    We should emphasise that the final deadline for consultation submissions is January the 13th, and the document is liable to continue to change in the interim.

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    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

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    Summary of Comments to the Leith Walk Improvements
    On 21 March 2012 at a public meeting in Lorne Primary School Edinburgh City’s Design Leader, Ricardo Marini, told locals that Leith Walk was regarded as one of the top three roads in Edinburgh (after Princes Street and the Royal Mile). Marini stressed it was essential to get the focus back on to people to improve the quality of life in the area.
    We are all strongly supportive of this aspiration and are determined to change Leith Walk’s current function as a motorised transport corridor and put all our efforts into the creation of a successful ‘boulevard’ environment with a thriving local economy. Leith Walk’s improved infrastructure should provide a safe, healthy and clean environment for all users of the road. The use of public and active transport should continue to be encouraged and that of other motorised transport restricted, not least to improve air quality.
    With a revised layout of Leith Walk up for consultation, Edinburgh has a once-in-a-generation opportunity to create a civic space that conforms to the most up to date design principles and that has the potential to become a people-friendly destination in its own right. Let’s not miss this unique opportunity.

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    More -

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OgTFvaxJs76UZuMMCdEU7UVjw02zmA9aQm5E_Ka936g/mobilebasic?pli=1

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    If it can be done in london, then Why not  leith walk too?

    http://cyclelondoncity.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/at-last-cycle-super-highway-worthy-of.html

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.clockfacecov.com

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

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    Martin Reis (@BikeLaneDiary)
    07/01/2013 23:15
    Safe east-west route downtown Toronto for cyclists? Kinda, maybe, needs mucho study...
    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/transportation/article/1311772--bike-lanes-being-peddled-for-richmond-and-adelaide #bikeTO

    After more than a decade of spinning their wheels, Toronto cycling advocates say they’re excited because a protected, east-west cycling route through the busiest part of downtown is finally poised to take off this year.

    "

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. Tulyar
    Member

    SRD - I'll repeat what I've said about the Bow Roundabout scheme - It is complete crap and flies in the face of standard good practice for delivery of a safe solution. Not only that but with at least 70% of the cyclists currently using the route riding over the flyover, including those who stop and walk across the slip road to get in to the lane going up (so clearly less confident/novice riders).

    Going over the flyover completely eliminates the hazards of motor traffic turning left or emerging from the A12 slip roads, a far more effective safety measure than fiddling around to squeeze in a cycle route, and extra phases at the traffic signals, which still leave the cyclists at-grade in the frame for a collision with any motor vehicle which runs through the traffic signals which are in theory the 'protection' for cyclists.

    Most of the motor traffic there goes to the Roundabout to get on or off the A12, and at times the ONLY vehicles seen on the flyover (at 08.30 on a weekday!) are bicycles.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. Calum
    Member

    I have to add to Tulyar's comments about TfL's latest wheeze on CS2. Sure, it's better, with segregation and the bus stop bypasses. But they're still using ASLs and allowing pavement cycling, which is not in any way "Go Dutch". The Bow roundabout should be rebuilt as a proper Dutch roundabout and all the major junctions on other parts of the route should have a dedicated traffic light phase for bicycles. If that was done, there would be virtually complete elimination of conflict between pedestrians, cyclists, and motor vehicles - and only then would the route be worthy of the "Go Dutch" tag.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

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    All around the world, cities are closing down car lanes and opening new bike sharing programs

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    http://www.cleverhood.com/why-bikes

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

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    Leithers join forces with active travel groups to call for major changes to Leith revamp plan

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    http://www.greenerleith.org/greener-leith-news/2013/1/14/leithers-join-forces-with-active-travel-groups-to-call-for-m.html

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    In an unprecedented joint submission to the council’s Leith Improvement Progamme consultation all three community councils, three further Leith-based community organisations, The Cockburn Association and four active travel organisations have teamed up to try to persuade the city council to do far more to boost the economic vitality of the area - by improving the public realm, and tackling the road safety and air pollution problems that affect the area.

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    Full list of supporting organisations:

    Leith Community Councils

    Leith Central Community Council
    Leith Harbour and Newhaven Community Council
    Leith Links Community Council
    Leith Voluntary Organisations

    Greener Leith
    Leith Open Space
    Friends of the Water of Leith Basin
    Edinburgh Voluntary Organisations

    The Cockburn Association
    Spokes - The Lothians’ Cycle Campaign
    Scottish Voluntary Organisations

    Living Streets Scotland
    Pedal on Parliament
    Cyclists’ Touring Club Scotland

    "

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    Difficult for the Council to ignore this, I'd say. Well done Greener Leith!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    Excellent. The fact that they've managed to combine a variety of interests surely adds weight.

    I'm sceptical this will actually derail the current proposals, since the noises from officialdom seem to indicate it was supposed to be more of a rubber stamp than a real opportunity to change, but who knows - we may be pleasantly astounded.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. sallyhinch
    Member

    Note that Transport for London have just done a massive u-turn on a roundabout (er, not literally!) they consulted on in London http://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/news/2013/01/11/transport-london-abandons-shared-use-pavements-lambeth-bridge-north-trials-dutch

    Sometimes if EVERYONE chimes in and says the same thing, they have to listen. Fingers crossed...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Moderator

    Just got this as an email. Don't understand how they can start work on the 28th having received comments yesterday? Nor why some groups get an extra 2 weeks to feedback.

    Work timescales - update

    Work to the utilities infrastructure element of the Leith Programme will be starting soon.

    The contractor will be mobilising resources in the week beginning 28 January and work is scheduled to begin on site during the week beginning 18 February. Notification letters are being prepared and these will be sent out in the week commencing 21 January to those whose properties are adjacent to the work sites.

    We will provide as much detail as possible in the notification letters, and any further details or work updates will be made available through:
    the Leith Programme web pages on the Council website
    Facebook
    the McDonald Road Library, Leith Library and Newkirkgate Community Centre notice boards
    further stakeholder emails like this one
    The work will be carried out in sections to minimise disruption to local businesses and residents and it is expected that utilities infrastructure work will be complete by the end of April 2013.

    Stakeholder liaison
    Feedback from a number of local groups and businesses has expressed a desire to see a single person with responsibility for liaising with local stakeholders for the duration of The Leith Programme, in order to manage public enquiries and help resolve any issues. Alan Dean, Partnership Development Officer, will carry out this role from early 2013 for the duration of the programme. Alan will liaise with contractors on behalf of the Council and Leith and City Centre businesses and residents in the Constitution Street, Leith Walk and Picardy Place areas.

    Alan will help minimise disruption, resolve any problems, and keep people informed of what is going on. He will be based in and around the local area and available Monday-Thursday 8:30am-5:00pm, and Friday 8:30am-4:00pm.

    Alan Dean
    telephone: 07739 188438
    email: alan.dean@edinburgh.gov.uk

    Consultation update

    Thanks to everyone who has fed their views into The Leith Programme consultation; this input is invaluable in helping to inform and develop a final design.

    The online survey has now closed, and around 400 people have responded through the survey. We have also received written submissions from a number of local groups and organisational stakeholders. We are very encouraged by the thought and work that has gone into all responses and these are all being carefully analysed. There are a small number of local groups who still have up to 28 January 2013 to submit a response, this is to ensure that any groups with particular needs for a longer timescale are still able to respond.

    All input is being fed into the development of a design for Constitution St, Leith Walk and Picardy Place, to be reported to the Transport and Environment Committee meeting of 19 March 2013.

    Please feel free to circulate this stakeholder update to others, and if you would like to be added to the mailing list to receive these updates, do let me know.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @SRD if the design isn't getting reported to the Transport Committee until 19th March, the uninformed observer like myself assumes that contractor is being mobilised and begnining works before a final design is settled upon.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. SRD
    Moderator

    some clarification:

    "The Leith Programme comprises 3 work strands; the work starting in the week beginning 18 February is to utilities infrastructure, its the first of the three work streams, and has always been planned for as part of the programme, to come before the bigger strand of resurfacing the roads and sorting out the pavements, as well as making as many additional environmental improvements as we can within our budget

    It is the additional element of the programme (the additional environmental improvements for the streets) which has been out to consultation, and will go to committee in March. The actual delivery of this phase of the work is not yet known but it is planned to start after the utilities work - dates will be provided for that work stream once they are available."

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    "some clarification:..."

    This has always been part of the problem, clarity/understanding.

    Work needs to be done to fix the stuff that was done badly to facilitate the tram that is not (so far) coming.

    I don't think the original contractor will be paying for any of this - so there can't be any certainty about cost/timescale.

    After that LW (and northwards to the docks) will be completely resurfaced with a magic substance that will never wear, sag or need to have trenches dug in it.

    THEN there will be the work/'improvements' that all the consultation has been about.

    In the meantime (see other thread) the idea of 20mph in all shopping areas is getting closer.

    ALSO thanks to all the efforts of people on here, Greener Leith etc., CEC will really have to consider 'what to do next' for LW.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    So, roadworks on Leith Walk for the next two months, starting 28th January. Use Easter Road or WoL path instead!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    "So, roadworks on Leith Walk for the next two months"

    That's just the first part.

    More like two (or more) years...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. kaputnik
    Moderator

    the work starting in the week beginning 18 February is to utilities infrastructure

    Amazing! 3 years of utilities infrastructure work requires more utilities infrastructure work to remedy it.

    Why isn't someone suing the original contractor for millions of pounds?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

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    Consultation

    Thank you very much to everyone (individuals, groups, organisations) that responded to our consultation on the preliminary design for The Leith Programme, through either online survey, on-street surveys, focus groups, drop-in events, or via email / letters. Thank you also to those who gathered and reported comprehensive feedback from stakeholder groups within the community.

    The consultation has set out to seek views which would help inform the development of final design for the scheme, particularly in relation to the additional environmental elements of the programme above and beyond the road and pavement resurfacing.

    The responses have been exceptionally well thought out and thorough. As they are being analysed, they are being fed into the design process. They have been useful in determining the desires and aspirations of the various user groups and individuals involved in the process, and the design team have gained a comprehensive understanding of these.

    Officers are in the final stages of collating and analysing responses. They will produce a comprehensive report on the consultation findings, which will be fed back to everyone who has asked to be kept up to date about the process, also to our stakeholders, and published on our web pages from 13 March 2013 as an appendix to our report to the Council’s Transport and Environment Committee on 19 March 2013.

    You can find this information and more on http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/leithimprovements where content is kept up to date with new information as it becomes available. Feel free to pass this email on to others.

    "

    There is now another thread for "Leith Walk action"

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Mark Treasure (@AsEasyAsRiding)
    25/01/2013 18:47
    Danish bus stop bypass (Copenhagen)

    http://pic.twitter.com/uhQh9Eg5

    "

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. Calum
    Member

    That's all well and good for Those Foreigners, chdot, but what you have to remember is that on Leith Walk there is simply Not Enough Space for such things. I mean, for goodness' sake - there are only two lanes of car parking, two bus lanes, two general traffic lanes and a central reservation! All those lanes are absolutely vital, and if you take any of them away it will be War On The Motorist (who, after all, is The Engine Of Economic Growth) - and we can't have that! Don't you see?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. SRD
    Moderator

    Funny thing, I was cycling through brunstfield yesterday, annoying cars as I stayed out of the door zone, and thinking that if only the bike lanes were behind the parked cars, and the bus stops, there'd be tonnes of room for the 'traffic' to zoom along.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  24. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Edinburgh does a fantastic job at being able to locate bus stops in a way that causes the maximum amount of obstruction to pavement users from the gaggle of people thronging the bus stops and crowding to get onto the bus. North Bridge, top of Elm Row and foot of Lothian Road are good examples. I often find myself walking on the foot-wide strip between bus stop and kerb to try and get past (at risk of bus coming the other way giving me a thump with it swing mirror)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

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    Fiona Clandillon (@feeclandee)
    31/01/2013 19:27
    @CyclingEdin @SplashBack @MaggieEdinburgh @CllrChasBooth @AndrewDBurns Wouldn't redesigned ped area complement @SplashBack plans nicely!

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    Cllr. Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
    01/02/2013 09:46
    @feeclandee @CyclingEdin @SplashBack @MaggieEdinburgh @CllrChasBooth Thanks for the further feedback Fiona.

    "

    Posted 11 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    THIS is how to redo the Picardy Place and London Road roundabouts -

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    Posted 11 years ago #
  27. Tulyar
    Member

    And it only cost £4m of which some was already required for road repairs - Note that this figure includes the approaches, going back some distance from the Junction.

    Compared to the tram spend £4m is petty cash!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  28. Roibeard
    Member

    Elsewhere I wondered why Poynton was considered a success and Exhibition Road isn't.

    Possibly, it may be because streams of motorised traffic (i.e. "equals") have to negotiate, thus slowing down to vulnerable road user speeds.

    Exhibition Road may not have these equal streams, resulting in dominant behaviour.

    Comments on the Poynton video suggest that, outside busy periods, cyclists still need to assert their right to the road, which may be evidence in support of my theory.

    Perhaps if you force lower speeds, then the vulnerable get more respect, and it just so happens that at peak times Poynton has forced lower speeds by requiring negotiation between equals. This may chime with the Dutch experience, where shared use is only considered for slower, lower volume roads.

    I'm not saying Poynton isn't an example to follow, just wondering why it works there and not elsewhere (or perhaps not all the time)...

    Robert

    Posted 11 years ago #
  29. Min
    Member

    Good comments Roibeard. It is great that it has improved that particular area so much though.

    Comments on the Poynton video suggest that, outside busy periods, cyclists still need to assert their right to the road, which may be evidence in support of my theory.

    Notice the lorry driver about to smash into a cyclist at about 10.24 on the video. It cuts out at that point so we don't know if the driver eventually applied the brakes or not.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  30. Calum
    Member

    The thing is, we know the Dutch roundabout design is effective - countless examples built over the years. All we have here is some cherrypicked video clips from the promoters of a single scheme.

    Posted 11 years ago #

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